Where's the Pope and the Papal State?

[unmerged(171188)]

That reminds me: In a recent game I intended to form Italy, so the Pope was obviously one of my first victims. After I seized Rome, he reappeared in some obscure German theocracy. But that German minor was a vassal of the Palatinate, who I think annexed them about 250 years later. But as much as I searched, from that point on I never saw the Papal States on the map. There were still a few Theocracies around, but the Pope didn't take over any of them. But what I did notice was that one of the German minors (not Avignon, though they were still around) had become a Papacy. Does the game sometimes designate a new Pope without a tag switch?

 

[Kepheren]

Why exactly is the game set up to move the Pope though? Historically the city of Rome came under control of various nobles over the years but Vatican City remained and the Pope remained, more or less, independent. I know it made it a huge pain in the butt for me to create Italy with Rome and not destroy relations with the Pope.

 

[ind2bc]

because the game can't recognize a nation inside a province owned by another nation like vatican city is today

 

[CyberEagle]

And if it didn't exist as a nation, relations with them couldn't change anymore, which influences some minor things like Papal Influence or not getting excommunicated.

 

[grommile]

Edit: After reading the event... appearantly not. Wouldn't it be logical for a Crusader state, like the Knights, to declare themself a too violent and dangerous place for the Pope to stay?

TEU (the Teutonic Order) is explicitly excluded from the event that recreates PAP, but the Knights of Malta are not.

 

[CyberEagle]

Well, they kind of have betrayed their true goal long ago. But the Knights? They are nearly powerless while right on the doorsteps of the Muslim Word! Putting the head of the catholic church there is like ASKING to be killed again!

 

[xcrissxcrossx]

Well, they kind of have betrayed their true goal long ago. But the Knights? They are nearly powerless while right on the doorsteps of the Muslim Word! Putting the head of the catholic church there is like ASKING to be killed again!

For much of the period the Knights are in Malta, which is a safe area.

 

[Nerga]

Well, they kind of have betrayed their true goal long ago. But the Knights? They are nearly powerless while right on the doorsteps of the Muslim Word! Putting the head of the catholic church there is like ASKING to be killed again!

Not when I play Knights. When I play knights I am the scourge of the heathen world, and will own everything from Alexandria to Siberia, and Constantionople to Delhi.