I myself want to see a communist US play through but I am 99.9% I will have to make that myself
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Where is the love......
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Yes, please don't forget our keeping the Japs busy in a few jungles we had around there...some poor souls built quite a bit of railway very slowly for them as well....
Australians and other commonwealth troops rather played an important part - especially after the fall of the Philipines.
Truth is, without everyone else, the war would have been too far gone for the US to have made a difference, with everyone else, the US were able to tip the balance later in the war - against Japan and Italy and the March to Berlin. The Soviets also needed help with the Arctic convoys - it was an international effort.
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Just to put some facts on this contribution debate, here is a breakdown of the distribution of German land divisions per front. Of course, this cannot take contributions like the political consequences of the British resistance, the Pacific theater, land lease to the Soviet or the air battles over Germany (which tied two thirds of the Luftwaffe) into account.
With these caveats, the German army had over 150 divisions on the Eastern Front, 50 to guard conquered territories, and up to 4 fighting the Allies in North Africa during a period going from Barbarossa to Stalingrad.
The number of divisions facing the western Allies steadily grows after the invasion of Italy, but even during the Ardennes offensive, one half of the total number of German divisions was still facing the Soviet.
With these caveats, the German army had over 150 divisions on the Eastern Front, 50 to guard conquered territories, and up to 4 fighting the Allies in North Africa during a period going from Barbarossa to Stalingrad.
The number of divisions facing the western Allies steadily grows after the invasion of Italy, but even during the Ardennes offensive, one half of the total number of German divisions was still facing the Soviet.
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It's actually scary to consider what would have happened if Germany had left the Soviets alone.
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I don't know. Starting back even to the 19th century, Russia became that itch Germany had to scratch considering they acted as a roadblock to the east. Bismarck was encouraged to do a pre-emptive war with Russia. And you could argue World War 1 broke out because Germany wanted very badly to go to war with Russia while they were still fairly backwards because of Russia's huge population advantage, which was about triple that of WW1 Germany. Hitler simply continued that notion (albeit with some racist underpinnings to go along with it), but by that time, it was too late as Russia had completed its modernization and those German fears of years past came to fruition.
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American's just love to think that they won World War 2
and I'm sick of hearing it. The Soviet Union had already faced and destroyed 70-80% of the German army over nearly 5 years and conquered Berlin by the time America AND the UK finished liberating France. The United States only swooped in at the last minute to keep the USSR in check and claim the glory. Absolutely no respect for the sacrifice that millions of Russian citizen's made, more than any other country in the war. I'm not Russian or Communist but it makes me angry when I hear this kind of patriotic ignorance.
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They did.
Overstretched as it was at the time trying to win the crucial Battle of the Atlantic to stay in the war, escort convoys to the USSR, hunt down German cruisers and battleships, and also win in the Med and by extension support the North African campaigns - all at the same time, the Royal Navy none the less maintained the Eastern Fleet. In 1942 it conducted operations against the Japanese, with mixed results. Brutal shocks such as those suffered by HMS Prince of Wales and Repulse and others like them were shocking enough for the fleet to go on the defensive. Even so, between 1942 - 1943 it usually maintained a strength of at least four battleships, 2 aircraft carriers, a number of heavy and light cruisers and accompanying destroyer escorts. However, since the priority was very much on the home front, the Eastern Fleet at first received largely old, slow and obsolete ships - this was especially noticeable in the battleships. The slowness of much of the fleet - and the small matter that they were vastly outnumbered and outgunned if they ventured outside the Indian Ocean - meant offensive operations were all but impossible, so defence of the Indian Ocean became their main objective (which in a self fulfilling fate, only encouraged the trend of neglect, and may well have been why for a long time the Eastern Fleet was largely the "younger brother" in the Navy, in the sense of always getting the old worn-thin hand-me-downs).
Beginning in 1943 and most noticeable in 1944, as fortunes turned the way of the Allies in Europe and the Med, the Eastern Fleet began to receive a boost to it's strength, being joined by the Battlecruiser Renown and ever growing numbers of battleships and aircraft carriers - with the cruisers, destroyers and auxiliary vessels to support them. Training exercises in operating in concert with the US Navy were conducted (specifically with USS Saratoga and it's destroyer escort) and from April 1944 onwards the British eastern fleet - initially in cooperation with Saratoga - went on the attack in operations.
Supporting American action in the Netherlands New Guinea, the Royal Navy conducted several operations against Japanese military and oil targets in Sumatra and Eastern Java. Saratoga returned to the Pacific towards the end of the period, before the end of operations. In early 1945 the Eastern Fleet embarked to rebase at Sydney Australia; enroute, as "Force 63" it struck again at Javan and Sumatran oil targets with air strikes.
At Sydney the force became the British Pacific Fleet; further reinforced, and with auxiliary contingents from the Commonwealth and U.S as well as Britain, the fleet at it's most powerful boasted:
6 fleet carriers, 4 light carriers, 9 escort carriers and 2 aircraft maintenance carriers (with a total of more than 750 aircraft),
4 battleships,
11 cruisers,
35 destroyers,
14 Frigates,
44 smaller warships,
31 submarines,
and 54 large Auxiliary vessels in the fleet train.
Even if one removes the much appreciated support from other nations, to this day this remains the largest deployment of the Royal Navy ever - deployed not in the North Sea or the Atlantic as one might expect, but in the east. And that record is likely to remain unbroken, since modern naval forces are so much smaller these days. In the grand Allied Command structure the Support Fleet Train arm of this Armada was known as Task Force 113, while the fighting arm was either Task Force 57 (when it joined Admiral Spruance's US fifth Fleet in March '45) or Task Force 37 (when it joined Admiral Halsey's third Fleet in May '45) .
The BPF launched it's last air strikes against Sumatra targets, then, after joining the US Fifth fleet, it supported the invasion of Okinawa In March 1945 by suppressing Japanese air power - especially the Kamikaze operations- launched from the Sakishima Islands, that could otherwise threaten the US Navy at Okinawa. The British carriers were subjected to repeated heavy Kamikaze attacks, but their armoured flight decks came into their own. If they fell out of action at all it was usually but for a short time. This apparently impressed American observers; The USN liaison officer on HMS Indefatigable commented: "When a kamikaze hits a US carrier it means 6 months of repair at Pearl. When a kamikaze hits a Limey carrier it's just a case of 'Sweepers, man your brooms.'
He was exaggerating slightly of course - but it is fair to say the British Carriers enjoyed considerable resilience.The BPF then joined the US Third Fleet, where it supported US Third Fleet's operations - such as the invasion of Iwo Jima - with it's air arm; especially it's Supermarine Seafires, that intercepted Kamikazes meant for US ships. Admiral Halsey was very suspicious of the British and actively downplayed their involvement, consigning them largely to a support role, yet the Battleship HMS King George V none the less got to attack the Japanese heartland when it bombarded the naval installations at Hamamatsu, near Tokyo. This was the last time a British battleship ever fired it's guns in anger - and it was at a target just 260 km from the Japanese capital.
The Pacific theatre was very much the US war, where US forces dominated, directed and delivered. It's fair to say the Pacific conflict was won by America. But that is not to say they were the only force there. Although it may not be taught in any US schools, the British WERE there, with only the largest fleet they ever assembled, that's all.
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America as an American here IMO, we just pushed the war to closing even faster with DDay but no one could match Germany man for man besides Russia. Also America doesn't do anything for a good portion.
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When we say America we obviously mean USA, we call Canada Canada, and every other country its name. When you think of the American continents no one thinks about Venezuela
More like tipping the ice mountain (which was made of the effort of many other countries).
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Without the US and UK the Soviets probably don't win, without the Soviets the US and UK definitely don't win. The war was a team effort and claiming any of the majors won it by themselves is dumb, none of them deserve to be elevated over the others.
What were you thinking? You realize how many europeans browse these forums? I am not sure whether or not this is just a troll post to trigger europeans...I mean it doesn't matter if what you said is true, they will and probably already did come at you with the Chernobyl levels of critical mass salt.
I agree with this. I would rather see Italy or even The UK the US is boring I just tried to play as them in HOI3 and most of the game was at max speed for the first 7 years.
Well of course, especially in USA, they like to call themselfs America, but in my opinion this is a lack of respect to other american countries,
it is as if germans call Europe to Germany, or Asia to China.
It depends, both are correct. You can consider America as the continent and North and South as subcontinents or you can consider North America and South American as continents. I think both are correct.
But calling America or North America to United States is totally incorrect. Hollywood has done a big damage here and USA being the first economic power in the world doesnt help.
They like to call America to USA because it sounds much better and is related to those feelings about freedom and new world that they have. "The land of freedom... America"
In my opinion we should call the things by its name.
But America was named America centuries before the born of the US (Yes, the World is older then 500 years and the human History accounts for about ten millennia before America was named America
).And it has been already clarified that America is one or two continents depending on where you live and on where you search for the definition (and, IMHO, it does not depend on how many people follow a definition or the other, since if this should be the rule, this forum has to switch to Chinese
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