Where is the love......

[JerkyJerry]

For the rest of your argument I strongly disagree with your base premise that customers from a given country only care about playing the country in-game.

Yeah that's not my argument at all. I said nothing about playing. It is all about watching. How am I going to get more information, be more excited to buy, become a new customer if ....
A) I'm watching a country (Hungary) whose role in the war was minimal at best. How many people in the world today are going to buy the game because they can either play as Hungary or because they watched Daniel move one whole division here, and yes two exciting divisions there etc. It would not have been better to show hundreds(?) of tanks, planes, ships?
I never said Americans would only play America. However if you are showing off what the game can do and how it does it, showing 1 division moving one province away then two more divisions moving south is just not the same as what America (or the allies) can bring to bear.
I'm in a war yet I only get to view skirmishes and little gun battles. No tanks, no armor, no planes no ships. Just guys with a gun. Whoopie!
Is this a game about WWI or WWII?

 

[Aries666]

To me it is nothing more than as a company, trying to increase sales, why would you hit the Hungary & Japan markets before the American market? The Japanese and Hungarian markets are larger than the American market? Pandering and increasing sales sometimes goes hand in hand. I don't know I thought that was obvious.
I'm just saying for a company that changed this that and the other from HOI3 to make it more accessible and to get more players involved in buying the game how they did not highlight the #1 consumer market is the world is well odd? And I'll go back to it again. Paradox did not show America their #1 supporter any love in the roll out to June 6th. Now correct me if I'm wrong but isn't June 6 more or less a HUGE American thing. Not so much Hungary or Japan significant date is it?

TY Hewhoispale

Yeah I totally get that and don't disagree. However not one person in sales, marketing, boss, bigger boss, biggest boss in not one meeting in 2+ years of designing the game that is was not known that America is the largest consumer market in the world and maybe just maybe if we want to increase sales and improve market share we should show/highlight/incorporate America somehow into the WWW's or some other visual way to ignite that market? All those people in charge of growing Paradox did not overrule the opinions of a few people in a chat room? YIKES!
Part two Hungary & Japan
How much did we learn about Daniel moving 2 divisions here and one whole division there and yes 3 divisions of infantry here. So it could not have been 1,500 bombers, 100+ ship naval invasion force, UK, Canada, Aussy , New Zealand etc. troops invading? We could not see the liberation of France? Seriously? That would not have been as good as Hungary?

The choice over what to show case clearly has nothing to do with consumer markets and far more about showcasing interesting countries and game possibilities. Japan is straight into the action and has a diverse array of choices early in the game. Hungary allowed them to showcase what you can do with a minor nation (this was important considering the only way to make minors viable in HOI3 was using the nation editor) and also allowed them to show off early events in Europe. What does showing USA achieve? Mostly a long uninteresting industry build up and then pressing the I win button once the behemoth is up and running.

 

[Aries666]

no, you are wrong about that. America is not a continent. North America is a continent. South America is a continent. the Americas or America is the title for all the countries of both North and South America.

Isn't this a bit like saying Great Britain isn't a country because of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are all countries within?

 

[Aries666]

#1 No what I'm saying is it was wrong in the first place to have voting to begin with. The marketing plan/sales plan should have had some say into how to grow the market and increase sales. If they had a say would it even have been brought up for a vote to begin with? Now I'm not saying they should have not given players the opportunity to vote to see what they wanted to see however BOTH could not have been done? Kinda odd no? Again Paradox has shown the American market place ZERO love thus far. You really can't argue with that.
#2 Again not quite sure how or why it had to be one or the other but.............

How can you possibly speak for all Americans, do you know that they would all like to see USA showcased? I'm from Britain, it doesn't follow that I automatically want to see Britain showcased and it certainly doesn't follow that all Brits want that. Essentially you are making a false assumption and then using this to create some sort of erroneous marketing plan.

 

[Strangeplz]

Where the hell did you go to school? I am born and raised in USA and never had this level of ignorance on history. Either you are a troll or i feel bad for you...

 

[Flipity]

Isn't this a bit like saying Great Britain isn't a country because of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are all countries within?

Great Britain isn't a country either. Its the name of the island that Scotland, Wales and England are on. The official title is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

 

[Aries666]

Great Britain isn't a country either. Its the name of the island that Scotland, Wales and England are on. The official title is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Being pedantic doesn't really help, so is the UK not a country because it's made up of smaller countries?

 

[JerkyJerry]

The choice over what to show case clearly has nothing to do with consumer markets and far more about showcasing interesting countries and game possibilities.

It strikes me as odd that a company that stated it was making it easier for new players to enter the genre, removed the OOB, partisans, changed air power, changed naval battles etc. has shown none of that. All they have shown thus far is just one division moving one province away. Then two divisions moving 1 provence south. YIPPIE!!!!
Hungary, Poland & Japan showed us very little it the way how anything new works other than....... what it looks like to see one infantry division move one province away etc. etc. etc.

 

[Pandoricus]

Soviet Union hasn't seen any love either and their contribution was arguably greater. I think it's because the devs wanted to show off a more "average" gameplay, where USA revolves heavily around slow building-up and USSR revolves on the purges, after which both are nigh-unstoppable.

I agree USA would be boring initially, but the Soviet Union was collapsing and would have without the economic in put of the United States. The US fueled the Allied war effort with supplies and equipment. Russia did what it did in the previous World War and mass waves, the human cost was Russia's greatest contribution along with tying up most of Germany's Army. The USSR would not have been able to arm or feed those troops without someone to support their economy while it was disassembled. I would rather see an Italian play through either way.

What do you think would have happened if America did not supply anything to the Allies. How many more Russians would have died without weapons or food?

 

[Aries666]

It strikes me as odd that a company that stated it was making it easier for new players to enter the genre, removed the OOB, partisans, changed air power, changed naval battles etc. has shown none of that. All they have shown thus far is just one division moving one province away. Then two divisions moving 1 provence south. YIPPIE!!!!
Hungary, Poland & Japan showed us very little it the way how anything new works other than....... what it looks like to see one infantry division move one province away etc. etc. etc.

Yet this doesn't follow that playing the USA would show these things you think have been missing.

 

[amalric de g.]

For America?

I think America was the country that won the war? If I’m not mistaken didn’t America end the war?

I think American’s purchase more Paradox products than any other country?

I don’t recall seeing anything American in any WWW or anywhere for that matter.


I guess I’m having a difficult time understanding why America is being left out in the Paradoxian cold. Is there anything else America can do to get the slightest recognition? Can we rebuild Europe? Can we extend billions of dollars in loans and then not collect on those loans?

Anything?

Sure but we paid our loan back.

 

[Flipity]

Being pedantic doesn't really help, so is the UK not a country because it's made up of smaller countries?

This not being pedantic. Its being correct.

 

[Le Creep]

It strikes me as odd that a company that stated it was making it easier for new players to enter the genre, removed the OOB, partisans, changed air power, changed naval battles etc. has shown none of that. All they have shown thus far is just one division moving one province away. Then two divisions moving 1 provence south. YIPPIE!!!!
Hungary, Poland & Japan showed us very little it the way how anything new works other than....... what it looks like to see one infantry division move one province away etc. etc. etc.

So you're saying that more stuff to show = instantly better? It's probably a lot easier to show the game to people in a smaller scale first, otherwise people might get overwhelmed. I do agree that a WWW as the USA would be quite intresting in 1941, but half of the fun in WWW (IMO) is getting there and seeing the different strategies that they come up with during the game, not just watching hundreds of divisions, planes and ships fight it out.

 

[Aries666]

This not being pedantic. Its being correct.

Now you're just dodging the question if the UK is a country made up of smaller countries, why aren't the Americas considered a continent made up of two smaller continents?

 

[GhengisKhan]

For my 2 cents im an American and i'd prefer to see just about any other country played. I'd love to see a good Italy playthrough. I usually play Axis or minors due to the US being so boring due to their immense power level. I want to say i played the US only twice during my whole HoI3 career ( which is thousands of hours ) and of those 2 i only played once to conclusion.

 

[JerkyJerry]

do you know that they would all like to see USA showcased?

Again it is not just about seeing the USA. It is just that in WWII when watching the USA (allies) it will show us the most that the game has to offer and can do. While at the same time showing us all the changes from HOI3 to HOI4. We are not going to get that watching Hungary.
Where is the navy and all those changes. America has a crap ton of ships.
Where is the air forces of the world? American has a crap ton of planes.
Where is the armour?
Where are the para's?
America (the allies) will show more about the game, it's changes and features than 100 Hungary's ever will.
If there was a country that did more in the war, had more equipment, more implements of war I would want to see that. But it is America like it or that that brought the most, had the most & did the most in the war.
Sorry I want to see, witness, learn, enjoy MORE. Not 3 divisions with hand guns and slingshots fighting 3 divisions with rifles and a single hand grenade. AKA Hungary, Poland & Japan.

 

[darth254]

America is not a country, its a continent. A bit of respect to all the american countries.

pretty sure North and South America collectively considered two continents.

 

[Enigma1]

Hmmm...beginning to understand how the OP got the name Jerky....

 

[ikenslay117]

I suspect it depends on where you find the definition (and where you live). Thus, sorry.
But I'm 99.999% sure that America does not mean USA.

As a citizen of the US, we generally refer to ourselves as Americans. While the rest of the world may hear "America" and think of both continents, we tend to use it as short for the United States of America. This seems kind of ethnocentric though, so maybe we should just stick to saying 'Murica.

 

[chaostk]

At very least, about a week before the game is out there should be tons of streams by the youtubers showing all kinds of countries to the point where everyone who wants to check an specific system or country before release will have options to do that.