Where is Madeira and Porto Santo Islands?

[Duque de Bragança]

Originally posted by Serene_Revival
Bout' something in the news recently.. the piece of rock that Spain and Morocco (Algiers?) squabbled over recently.

*Why didn't you include it in?*

If such a soccer field size piece of land could cause a minor diplomatic crisis today, what would the exclusion of Madeira do to EU2? *recoils in horror*

Seriously, if EU2 was to include every island in the world, there won't be much challenge trying to get ships across the Pacific or Atlantic while minimising attrition. And imagine how many more sea zones would be required.. *shudder*

We're not speaking about "Temptation Island" for the Moroccan king nor the Anglo-Normand Islands (Jersey-Guernesey) we're advocating the presence on the map for Madeira.

 

[unmerged(6788)]

Originally posted by Castellon


I guess because I have heard of every other island in the game but have never heard of the one you mention.
So I guess you guys need a better PR firm.

Maybe you've heard of them because they appear in EU...

Like I've said before, I know that there is no chance for Madeira to appear in next patches, but it doesn’t mean that some of us don’t understand why it was left apart, specially compared with others islands that appear…

I suppose that Inferis is our last hope… but he seems to be a little lazy now days… (just kidding, he is doing a fantastic job)

 

[unmerged(6788)]

Originally posted by Serene_Revival

Seriously, if EU2 was to include every island in the world, there won't be much challenge trying to get ships across the Pacific or Atlantic while minimising attrition. And imagine how many more sea zones would be required.. *shudder*

Madeira would probably be near (adjacent) to Canaries Islands... no more sea zone required.
When making my way to the new world I always ask military access to Spain to port in Canary Islands before discovering Cabo Verde.
I know others prefer to go directly to the Caribean by Azores...

 

[Castellon]

Originally posted by Aranha


Madeira would probably be near (adjacent) to Canaries Islands... no more sea zone required.
When making my way to the new world I always ask military access to Spain to port in Canary Islands before discovering Cabo Verde.
I know others prefer to go directly to the Caribean by Azores...

I have a beautiful bronzed, framed world map circa 1630. With your description I just located the island in question. If as you say it would be in the same sea zone as the Canary Islands, why not just consider that the Canary Islands represted them as well.

 

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To Castellon

I'm very sorry for you!
Ignorance is a disease you probably should read some very good books of HISTORY instead of all that PR and CNN and MTV and History Channel and tourism brochures from Spain!

Yes, actually we don't need PR yelling all the time that Colombo discovered America (simply put the man was lost)! And please we did not fight all the time with indians who never saw horses, muskets and swords we went head to head against the muslam and venician influence in Asia!

You probably don't know but the Portuguese placed more than 700 forts all over the world to protect their trade empire! Yes we didn´t have enough people to occupy land ... imagine if we had people ...

The Portuguese were never lost!

 

[Castellon]

Ha!
I think you forgot a smiley in your post.

 

[unmerged(5728)]

To Castellon (2)

The Canary Islands were first colonised by the Portuguese!
The Portuguese offered the islands to Castela has a marriage gift!

"we can put madeira in the canary islands sea zone"
SIGH!




If you don't understand my point of view!
If you never heard of the Portuguese, their history well just forget it!

Maybe in EUIII!

 

[Castellon]

Re: To Castellon (2)

Originally posted by mario
"we can put madeira in the canary islands sea zone"
SIGH!

It was not me that first suggested that!

If you never heard of the Portuguese, their history well just forget it!

Okay, forgotten!

 

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Originally posted by Castellon


I have a beautiful bronzed, framed world map circa 1630. With your description I just located the island in question. If as you say it would be in the same sea zone as the Canary Islands, why not just consider that the Canary Islands represted them as well.

That's the point: they CAN'T BE THE SAME but they should probably be adjacent...

It's ok that you didn't knew because I also have a lot to learn - one good thing about EU and this community, right?
And I've already learned a lot in this forum with you (Castellon)...

 

[unmerged(6788)]

Re: To Castellon (2)

Originally posted by mario
The Canary Islands were first colonised by the Portuguese!
The Portuguese offered the islands to Castela has a marriage gift!

That gives me an idea... maybe creating an event about that...

 

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Geographically Madeira is considered part of the Canary Islands.

It's a very nice place for a quiet vacation. But the harbours of Funchal is not the place to ride out a southwesterly gale. And because the harbours in the Spanish Canaries were better, that's where ships called to take on water and fresh provisions.

The smaller Antilles are put on the map for historical reasons - to be fought over.

There's a lot of islands missing - not to mention German and Italian states.

Sorry, I understand Paradox' decision. (If it ever was a conscious one).

 

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Originally posted by Hardu
Geographically Madeira is considered part of the Canary Islands.

It's a very nice place for a quiet vacation. But the harbours of Funchal is not the place to ride out a southwesterly gale. And because the harbours in the Spanish Canaries were better, that's where ships called to take on water and fresh provisions.

The smaller Antilles are put on the map for historical reasons - to be fought over.

There's a lot of islands missing - not to mention German and Italian states.

Sorry, I understand Paradox' decision. (If it ever was a conscious one).

Well, the island (and harbor) first capital was not Funchal but Machico...

http://www.sdmadeira.pt/html/Madeira/history.html

http://stabi.hs-bremerhaven.de/whkmla/region/northafrica/madeirapre1660.html


http://www.madeira-web.com/PagesUK/history-uk.html

EDIT:
And about : "Geographically Madeira is considered part of the Canary Islands."
I can't understand what you're saying... you mean in EU Madeira is is considered part of the Canary Islands?
Now I'm really mad !!!

 

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I think some time before this discussion, it was stated by Paradox or some moderator that a number of changes were made so that the game would be more playable, at the expense of historical accuracy.
There was a recent thread about Burgundy and Nivernais... something about giving Nivernais to Burgundy since they did control it in 1419, but that in game terms, would weaken France beyond any literal hope.
As for patrotism, nationalism, it's nice and healthy to possess them in ourselves, but let's all be rational and nice people and avoid causing a unnecessary ruckus over this?
Many similar threads have gone on and on just about minute changes to EU2 that *should have been made* that would make their own country *better* in game terms.
The underlying point is, such suggestions were probably made during EU1, and the beta test phase for EU2. If the Paradox people took heed of those requests, and finally decided for the sake of gameplay, they had to leave them out, then we should just accept their decision.
Otherwise, we can simply bring out the editors and make our own EEPs and such. It's been done before.
Heck, my country doesn't even exist in the EU2 map and timeframe.

 

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Well, well, well

You actually think I wanted Madeira because that would benefit the players who play for Portugal in the game?

I think you don't understand my point of view! Imagine your own country and now you are playing a game where an important part of it is missing (We know the game is for fun but ...)!
That doesn´t bother you?

To Weird God: the start of thel age of exploration is the ISLAND OF PORTO SANTO! if it's in the middle of nowhere well maybe your brain is in the middle of nowhere, next to your neck! Good week end for you all!

PS: You too Weird God wihtou a Brain!

 

[BiB]

Play nice

 

[Carolus Rex]

Jeez! Some people xure do get excited about their history.