Where did these revolters come from?

[unmerged(15658)]

When I took Styria from Austria I also get the chance of a revolt. Not a big deal. I'll be ready for them. Now Styria at this time has a population of about 10,000. But when the revolt starts there are 60,000 revolters! Where the heck did they come from? Even if the entire population wanted to revolt, sure....let the wife and kids get in on the fun, thats only 10,000! So who invited the 50,000 others to the party?

By the way its wasn't hard to deal with. Attrition takes care of most of them. Whenever I gain a province in a peace treaty and I get that revolt risk thing I never leave an army there. I'll wait for the revolt, let whatever attrition trims them down, while I raise my armies morale. Then go in for the easy kill.

 

[Stonewall]

Are you sure about that 60,000 number? I've seen some massive revolts like the one you describe, but they usually occur in the Netherlands or large population provinces.

Is the initial rebellion 60k or are there maybe 3 or 4 revolts, each one adding to the rebels in the province?

 

[unmerged(10894)]

I've had that heaps of times. It seems the game doesn't take into account that the province is tiny. Then again that works with troops as well...

 

[saskganesh]

i think rebels are calculated by tax value as well as pop. so you get the gold provinces producing huge armies when they revolt. same things happen in armenia, meixco city, cuzco etc. luckily gold are in mountains, so attrition will wear the rebels down and so will a good snowfall.

flanders is another nutso province. huge rebel armies. bad news if the dutch revolt is on.

where do they all come from? role play it: pretend the gold revolt attracts every brigand, cuthroat and unemployed mercenary in the region, all wanting a peice of easy bullion.

 

[unmerged(10894)]

Once when I was playing my austrian AAR I got a 80k revolt in Flanders... Not good, even for my well-trained 60k army...

 

[saskganesh]

if you want to keep the lowlands... its better to hang out in hainualt or artois and see what happens with the flemish rebel hordes. after they leave the province, slip in behing them and retake the cities they capture ...

 

[unmerged(10069)]

I have seen this question before and the answering to it is rather simple. The province population does not represent the total province population! It represents the number of inhabitants in the city of the province. Add to this the inhabitants that live outside the city. During the timespan of the game, cities were actually quite small in size (since agriculture techniques were not developed enough to support a large non-farming population). The rural population could easily outnumber the city population 10 or 15 times.

 

[saskganesh]

is dat a fact?

now i'm curious now about "on board" population figures. anyone want to crack open 1492 start and count europe province by province. anyone losing sleep that is (im off tho bed soon). walter?: D

once we have that we can check against historical estimates.

ok, lets make it easier= spain, france and england...

 

[unmerged(15658)]

Hmmmm....I'm kinda happy with the above explanations. For now anyway.

 

[Carolus Rex]

Originally posted by saskganesh
is dat a fact?

now i'm curious now about "on board" population figures. anyone want to crack open 1492 start and count europe province by province. anyone losing sleep that is (im off tho bed soon). walter?: D

once we have that we can check against historical estimates.

ok, lets make it easier= spain, france and england...

Yes, it is a fact.

 

[unmerged(10894)]

Wow, you learn something new everyday here...That does make a lot of sense though. Some provinces had not much population but their agricultural community would have been a lot higher in some areas that are more productive.

 

[Carolus Rex]

In general, a province with a large city often had a lot of people on the countryside as well...

 

[saskganesh]

Originally posted by Carolus Rex
Yes, it is a fact.

thank you.