Where did the counter thread go?

[numdydar]

There used to be a lot of discussion about not having counters in HoI IV. Is this topic off limits now or just beaten to death ?

I'm assuming that the game is still planning on being released without counters. Which of course means this game is of no interest to me. I understand the 3d map, etc. issues. But I personally have no interest in playing a WWII game as if it was a Napoleon miniatures game. If I want that I'll play Call of Duty

But I still feel that in this day and age of computer software, there should be some way to make counters work. No if someone creates a mod that provides counters and they look half way decent, then I might pick the game up. Or several years after release when all the expansions and DLCs can be bought together for $10

 

[WSnova]

Which one, by searching the forum I get 2 pages worth of results.

I guess if it got removed its because it has been discussed to death.

 

[Caesar15]

You have no interest in playing because of the fact that there's no counters? That's a pretty weak excuse not to play.

 

[21oliver]

I have to disagree Caesar. I absolutely hate sprites, i think they are the most ridiculous thing Ive ever seen. I also have been playing wargames for over 40 years, with you guessed it counters. Nato counters to me ARE wargames. Ive bought a bunch of PI games and probably havent played any of them more then 10 minutes, because of ....sprites (primarily). I also hate the new map for HOI4 with the whole battleplan set up. I am intrigued by several things in HOI4 but already i have two major strikes i personally may not overcome. People like what they like. I liked the HOI3 set up. I liked the maps, the counters, the tech screens etc... the main reason I dont play alot of mods (or at least not for long) is they start messing with everything, it gets too busy. I dont need or want fancy graphics in my war game, for that ill go play Wow or a console game. I simply like what i like.

And no there wont be traditional counters and I would bet against them showing up in any form. PI is trying to force HOI players over into the CK/Europa world.

 

[NukePL91]

PI is trying to force HOI players over into the CK/Europa world.

This. Luckily there are many great wargames, so we aren't stuck with HoI4.

 

[Daelyn75]

There used to be a lot of discussion about not having counters in HoI IV. Is this topic off limits now or just beaten to death ?

I'm assuming that the game is still planning on being released without counters. Which of course means this game is of no interest to me. I understand the 3d map, etc. issues. But I personally have no interest in playing a WWII game as if it was a Napoleon miniatures game. If I want that I'll play Call of Duty

But I still feel that in this day and age of computer software, there should be some way to make counters work. No if someone creates a mod that provides counters and they look half way decent, then I might pick the game up. Or several years after release when all the expansions and DLCs can be bought together for $10

Are you Kimsand from Disqus? I just cussed (not with swears) this guy out for refusing to get the game because of lack of counters.

To each their own, but don't throw out the game just because you have issues with soldiers instead of counters. The information that you need will still be displayed, so saying it won't be doesn't cut it. I get it, you don't like soldiers, regardless the game should be amazing if everything works as intended. They may release a DLC that allows you to have all counters after launch at some point as well.

They could also have mods that put them in really quickly. If you basically like everything about the game except for lack of counters at the closer in zoom level, then personally if I were you I'd just accept it and hope for a change in the future, buy it at or around launch and have fun playing. I don't think you will be disappointed unless this turns into another HOI III fiasco at launch. I don't think that PDS is like that anymore anyway, and they are doing their best to get the game to come out right at the moment.

 

[NukePL91]

Even if we eventually get NATO counters in DLC, we will probably still be stuck with sprites after zooming the map... Anyway, it's only one of many things, which discourage me from HoI4.

 

[bwc153]

I have to disagree Caesar. I absolutely hate sprites, i think they are the most ridiculous thing Ive ever seen

Good thing HoI IV (and other recent paradox titles) don't have sprites for unit depictions, right?


EDIT: It's worth noting that counters are Sprites.

 

[21oliver]

It's worth noting that counters are Sprites.

Was it really worth noting? Well we don't like them!

 

[aruon]

EDIT: It's worth noting that counters are Sprites.

Was it really worth noting? Well we don't like them!

says you. though i'd prefer my counters be Dr. Pepper or Coca Cola.

 

[xtfoster]

Good thing HoI IV (and other recent paradox titles) don't have sprites for unit depictions, right?


EDIT: It's worth noting that counters are Sprites.

Actually, if you want to be technical...they aren't...and haven't been since Paradox moved to a 3D game engine.
Sprites = 2D images (sometimes with movement, sometimes able to simulate a 3D appearance by showing different views).
Models = 3d images

 

[21oliver]

Are we really are all that bored that were going to debate that a sprite is a counter?

 

[Mendeth]

It's in a sticky at the top of the forum:

Sprites instead of counters? Why god why? (Please note that new threads on this subject will be locked/deleted)
- Podcat explains

 

[GeneralPetrov]

Y

Are we really are all that bored that were going to debate that a sprite is a counter?

YES! We are bored of this "debate"!

We get it, you're not going to buy the game because of models (even though I'm pretty sure most will still buy the game and are just overreacting), but you don't have to start a million threads because of it. The devs have already been very clear on their stance, and that the game WILL feature counters if you so desire.
As for PI "forcing HOI3 players into the EU/CK/VIC world", hate to tell you this but HOI3 was essentially a blip in the HOI series, atleast according to the devs. If you want an idea of what the dev think a HOI game should be, I suggest you look at HOI2.
Even if this wasn't the case, NOBODY is forcing you to buy HOI4. If you don't like the looks of it, vote with your wallet and don't buy the game.
Oh and also in b4 lock.

 

[safe-keeper]

There are only so many times you can say 'no' to people who apparently don't take 'no' for an answer before you grow tired, so it seems counter discussion is banned on these forums.

 

[Denkt]

HOI4 do have counters, it use both models and counters at the same time.

Devs have clearly said that they will not add in Nato counters because they are inferior to the current model/counter combination.

 

[Modestus]

I believe they have been pulped and are now available in a wide range of other products such as flower pots, house insulation, even the book that your reading about WWII could have been made from a Counter.


Technology has moved on and a Division can now easily be represented by a single model of a soldier or a tank with the additional advantage that the animation can tell the player what they actually ordered a Division to do which needless to say is important.


Of course mini- counters are still needed to tell the player what country a Division is from, how many and what type are in a province, what General they are attached to and how they are doing during combat so we will have to put up with these mini-counters.

 

[Gunnarr]

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oh yea now I remembered why I havnt been hyped for HOI4 over the past year. The extremely exaggerated elevation map and 3-d models turn me off.

 

[Don E]

Counters/sprites/glowing gems, not matter the graphics I will buy this game and play it until I have managed to conquer Europe as Denmark.

 

[TheRomanRuler]

It is funny how same people who say that "graphics don`t matter" also complain when they change those graphics and won´t play becouse of those changes. To me, graphics matter little, and i will be playing HOI4, counters or not.