Where can you find DoF info?

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I have trouble knowing who is Defender of Faith (for various religions). With the newer patches this has become much more relevant than before.

I can look in the history log but it only tells me when someone claims the title, not (directly) when they lose it.

I have searched the save file and cannot find anything that apparently relates to this. This is rather interesting, if it is not in the save file, where is the info stored?

Does anyone know?

 

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It's in the save file, below flags near the top of the file.

If the Protestant DoF title holder is for example England, it'll look something like this:

Protestant = ENG

 

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With the newer patches this has become much more relevant than before.

Why? (I play vanilla 1.08 no patches)

 

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It's in the save file, below flags near the top of the file.

If the Protestant DoF title holder is for example England, it'll look something like this:

Protestant = ENG

Thank you Bocaj! I assume the end date is there somewhere as well.

 

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Why? (I play vanilla 1.08 no patches)

As per the June patch the moral bonus from being the DoF is 0.5. Quite a lot IMO, just about equivalent to a CRT level IIRC.

 

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Thank you Bocaj! I assume the end date is there somewhere as well.

I do not believe there is a pre-determined date upon which a country's claim as Defender of the Faith expires. As I recall, it expires when you lose a war against an opponent of a different religion from you.

 

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As I recall, it expires when you lose a war against an opponent of a different religion from you.

You lose the title if you lose any war.
And no, it does not have an expiration date.

 

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You lose the title if you lose any war.
And no, it does not have an expiration date.

Good God, the Manual was actually right for a change! :rofl:

 

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I do not believe there is a pre-determined date upon which a country's claim as Defender of the Faith expires. As I recall, it expires when you lose a war against an opponent of a different religion from you.

Thanks! That makes it even better and explains why the option of claiming the title is greyed out in my game (I claimed the title some decades ago).

 

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Ok, so in 1.08 what are the advantages of being DoF?
(Aside from standard CB gains and above morale bonus)

 

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Ok, so in 1.08 what are the advantages of being DoF?
(Aside from standard CB gains and above morale bonus)

I don't know. I am just about to kick of the BB wars so what I am interested in is the moral gain

 

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Advantages ? The morale boost (+0.50 in the betas ) and a temporary CB on all countries DoWing one of your fellow-believers.

Disadvantages ? +2 RR in wrong-religion provinces (at least, neutral becomes +3 rather than +1 - I haven't checked for effect on the extremes of tolerance sliders), and +15% techcosts.

And about losing the title, remember that you lose a war with a white peace if you're the attacker (be careful with separate peaces) and win it with a white peace if you're the defender.

 

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Disadvantages ? +2 RR in wrong-religion provinces (at least, neutral becomes +3 rather than +1 - I haven't checked for effect on the extremes of tolerance sliders), and +15% techcosts.

Huh! Increased revolt risk. This one was bad. Apparently I have been a wise man in my previous games were I did not pay much attention to DoF.

I have better lose a war after a round or two of BB wars since the number of my wrongreligion provinces then will exceed the rightreligion ones.

Tech cost is not that important for the moment. I am at 52-21-10-8.

BTW, how did your WC attempt with France end? Did you manage it around 35 years?

And about losing the title, remember that you lose a war with a white peace if you're the attacker (be careful with separate peaces) and win it with a white peace if you're the defender.

Well, white peaces are rare in BB wars, nonexistent in my own I'd say. But I always lose a couple of wars, the ones you just want to get rid of so that you have peace with everyone. Then I often pay a 1000d or so to make them satisified

 

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Huh! Increased revolt risk. This one was bad. Apparently I have been a wise man in my previous games were I did not pay much attention to DoF.

Exactly the contrary of my France WC. I took the title, thinking it was good, then noticed this effect. With already nearly all religions represented in my empire, it hurted. :wacko:

BTW, how did your WC attempt with France end? Did you manage it around 35 years?

Well, I started it earlier, since Manchu was so big, and in the first phase they got a government fall, keeping only three provinces. Bad luck (and dropping their stability under-hell ).
But then, I got bored, and put the save in a corner of my computer (I'll maybe finish it later - or maybe not).
Just after, I remembered Manchu get some nice historical revolts events, and I could have used them to turbo-annex them later in the game (to beat both your records). So, I'll probably start again with another game (my England game I've started now, the beginning of which you can see in the "How to win the HYW" thread, is doing well, with now Castile & Portugal wiped out by my iberian vassals).

 

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So, I'll probably start again with another game (my England game I've started now, the beginning of which you can see in the "How to win the HYW" thread, is doing well, with now Castile & Portugal wiped out by my iberian vassals).

Yes, I think I saw you write about this one. This is not the same game as the economical wondergame you described a month ago, is it?

But still, at around 1550 you surely have 17-17-5-5...

Regarding the chinese events. Yep, in my present WC game I kicked off the BB wars in 1779 and I see China as a potential problem because they are bigger than normally. Not only an abnormal amount of SE Asia provinces but also having taken all of Nippon and the japanese provinces represents a h-ll lot of victory screen percentages. But then I also dream about this white lotus events (isn't that what they are called) and hoping that I will time one of my rounds well so that the black and red flag can be seen waving over a chinese province when they DOW me....aahh!

 

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Yes, I think I saw you write about this one. This is not the same game as the economical wondergame you described a month ago, is it?

No, I lost that save.

Regarding the chinese events. Yep, in my present WC game I kicked off the BB wars in 1779 and I see China as a potential problem because they are bigger than normally. Not only an abnormal amount of SE Asia provinces but also having taken all of Nippon and the japanese provinces represents a h-ll lot of victory screen percentages. But then I also dream about this white lotus events (isn't that what they are called) and hoping that I will time one of my rounds well so that the black and red flag can be seen waving over a chinese province when they DOW me....aahh!

I'd rather time the BB phases to have them DoW me before the event, quickly take the control of all provinces except capital (but regularly wiping their troops) and wait for the event.

In fact, there're three events (all with the same trigger : ownership of Hebei) :
- the White Lotus rebellion (1796-1797)
- the Celestial Order rebellion (1811-1812)
- the Eight Trigrams rebellion (1813)
All of which give a big stab-hit (-4 to -6 for historical choices, less for ahistorical) and several revolt commands (from 3 to 5 for historical choices, more for ahistorical).

 

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No, I lost that save.

Oh, I am sorry to hear.

I'd rather time the BB phases to have them DoW me before the event, quickly take the control of all provinces except capital (but regularly wiping their troops) and wait for the event.

But then you need the capital to revolt That may take years, or even decades. Isn't it better to see where the revolt comes and then take all the other provinces and treasure this rebel force as if it was a jewel of yours Then you end up with all except two of their provinces, which means you will only need two more rounds.

 

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But then you need the capital to revolt That may take years, or even decades. Isn't it better to see where the revolt comes and then take all the other provinces and treasure this rebel force as if it was a jewel of yours Then you end up with all except two of their provinces, which means you will only need two more rounds.

The revolts are -1, and so will trigger random controlled provinces.

And there's a high additionnal RR effect (+15 for 24 months in each event too IIRC).

 

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The revolts are -1, and so will trigger random controlled provinces.

But what is the use for you to get a revolt in one of those Chinese provinces you control

 

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But what is the use for you to get a revolt in one of those Chinese provinces you control

The revolt = -1 command only targets controlled provinces. If the only province controlled by China or Manchu is Hebei, then it's Hebei which will revolt.