Where are the Yuezhi?

[lucaluca]

so I noticed in Central Asia we have sogdia, wusun and tayuan. I think yuezhi and xiong nu should be included as well despite at the time living further east.

The xiong un formed a vast steppe empire and the yuezhi the Kushan empire, both roughly in the time frame of the game.

Donde estan ellos????

Also, I think we should have tribe migration mechanics like in Rome 1

 

[CaptinObvious]

I think that the map is unfinished as of yet

 

[Brynjar]

The map is indeed unfinsihed. In the first look we got of the map most of the Iberian peninsula was white, just like much of the area in the Tarim Basin. If it's white in the map you have seen, I think it's very likely that it will be filled before release, but not necessary by 'nations' which didn't inhabit the area until after the start date of the game.

 

[Holbenilord]

None of the Yuezhi, Wusun or Xiongnu should be on the map at the start of the game. The Yuezhi and Wusun moved into the Tarim basin after they were driven there by the Xiongnu in 162 BCE, during the Han dynasty. Similarly, the Xiongnu heyday during which they had influence in the Tarim basin started about a century after the game starts.

 

[lucaluca]

None of the Yuezhi, Wusun or Xiongnu should be on the map at the start of the game. The Yuezhi and Wusun moved into the Tarim basin after they were driven there by the Xiongnu in 162 BCE, during the Han dynasty. Similarly, the Xiongnu heyday during which they had influence in the Tarim basin started about a century after the game starts.

It’s been proved that they are adding tribes that existed way after the start date if they are relevant in the timeframe, at least for Europe. So I’d expect them to do the same in Central Asia and they did with wusun (tayuan I think we’re already in the area)

 

[J.Deng]

I think they might appear as Kushan empire in a later bookmark (idk if they are doing bookmarks tho)

imo the most glaring omission is Khwarezmia. the entire area around the Aral Sea is wasteland.

 

[lucaluca]

An another tribe that needs to be added are the sakas, that later moved into gedrosia which became sakastan

 

[lucaluca]

I think they might appear as Kushan empire in a later bookmark (idk if they are doing bookmarks tho)

They confirmed no bookmarks

 

[J.Deng]

They confirmed no bookmarks

that`s unfortunate. even stellaris deserves a bookmark.

 

[DanubianCossak]

imo the most glaring omission is Khwarezmia. the entire area around the Aral Sea is wasteland.

The map is work in progress it would seem, they are adding region by region, so give it a little time.

 

[vanin]

None of the Yuezhi, Wusun or Xiongnu should be on the map at the start of the game. The Yuezhi and Wusun moved into the Tarim basin after they were driven there by the Xiongnu in 162 BCE, during the Han dynasty. Similarly, the Xiongnu heyday during which they had influence in the Tarim basin started about a century after the game starts.

I have doubts whether even the tayuan should be in. All I can find is that the han Chinese found the dayuan in ferghana who were settled in cities. Likely yuan is derived from Ionian which is what the Greeks were called in the east - in India they were yavana, also derived from Ionian. Wouldn't even be a steppe folk - but please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[EU3NOOB]

that`s unfortunate. even stellaris deserves a bookmark.

How do you do bookmarks for a game that uses procedurally generated maps?

 

[Holbenilord]

I have doubts whether even the tayuan should be in. All I can find is that the han Chinese found the dayuan in ferghana who were settled in cities. Likely yuan is derived from Ionian which is what the Greeks were called in the east - in India they were yavana, also derived from Ionian. Wouldn't even be a steppe folk - but please correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't know too much about them but my impression was that they were thought to be descendants of Greco-Bactrians split from the main kingdom during the Yuezhi migrations, so I agree they are probably anachronistic.

An another tribe that needs to be added are the sakas, that later moved into gedrosia which became sakastan

The Saka is just the eastern name for the Scythians, so it's the lump term for many, many subgroups between the black sea and Tarim basin. The closely related Sarmatians are there but the Saka are only represented by Khotan (an anachronistic but I think acceptable name) and the Shule. I am not sure what Kusan represents but it might be Tumshuq, another Saka kingdom. Khwarezm/Chorasmia was probably the largest eastern Saka kingdom but it's been left out.

(while I'm on this area- Sogdia seems a bit small to me. Maybe extending it towards Kanka (near modern Tashkent), or adding a new Kangju tag would be good. The city definitely existed in the 4th century BCE.)

imo the most glaring omission is Khwarezmia. the entire area around the Aral Sea is wasteland.

I agree, it's strange to leave out, especially given its importance to Persia and Zoroastrianism. Iranica has a good article on Chorasmia that talks about their extensive cities and canals build in the 6th and 5th centuries BCE.

Other possible tags in that big empty space: the Dahae (who maybe killed Cyrus, and included the Parni, who attacked Seleucid parthia and founded the Parthian Empire), whatever you want to call Ateas' kingdom (which fought Philip II), the Massagetae, Aśvaka, Thyssagetae, Iazyges (and many other groups mentioned in Sarmatia Asiatica), Siraces and you could put the Alans (at this time including the Roxolani) somewhere north of the Caspian maybe.

 

[Thure]

It’s been proved that they are adding tribes that existed way after the start date if they are relevant in the timeframe, at least for Europe. So I’d expect them to do the same in Central Asia and they did with wusun (tayuan I think we’re already in the area)

Except that the tribes in Europe were allways there. We just don't know on which place exactly.

 

[SchwarzKatze]

Has anyone established a correspondence between the Central Asian states and tribes mentioned in Greco-Roman and Chinese sources?

 

[Arheo]

You all seem very ready to assume that the map is finished.

However, as you've correctly identified, in some cases we may have to make the choice between not including anything, or having an 'anachronistic' tag.

 

[Holbenilord]

You all seem very ready to assume that the map is finished.

However, as you've correctly identified, in some cases we may have to make the choice between not including anything, or having an 'anachronistic' tag.

I've been very happy with PDS' map design in the past so I am not worried at all At this point I think we're just hyped and willing to talk about any bit of information at all we've seen. I really love Central Asia so I'm always keen to talk about that as well.

 

[lucaluca]

You all seem very ready to assume that the map is finished.

However, as you've correctly identified, in some cases we may have to make the choice between not including anything, or having an 'anachronistic' tag.

Anachronistic tags all the way!!! Especially considering that there is only one bookmark.

Then if you add China in a dlc they can be moved further east, but considering these tribes existed in 300 bc just living in a different area, they should be in.

 

[Prometheus_1]

Lol at first I read where is the Yeti ...