Where are HTTT Dynasty Names Defined?

[fuzzbug]

super-national dynasties

I take issue with all those posters saying dynasties should be at country level. This misses the point entirely.

The thing about the Hapsburgs et al was they were above country.

Several mods already feature factions within a country so it is possible to model the minor country-specific families if you want. The dynasty feature enables us to model the super-national nature of the really great dynasties eg the relationship between Sicily and Anjou.

 

[DaPacemDomine]

I would hardly call 'von Mecklemburg' or 'von Oldenburg' family names worthy of international distinction.

 

[Duke of Bavaria]

One solution I've found, playing as Austria, is simply to copy/paste the leader names from Austria, Brandenburg, Bavaria, and a couple of other German heavy-hitters to replace the 'von Mecklemburgs' and 'von Oranjes'. There are so many names there, it ensures a lot of variety, and I can always weed out any that don't really strike me as sensible.

Well not too satisfying because you could either have a totally unplausable dynastie rulin before if you use the same list here in every game, or you could make it country specific for your playing country , but others would get those too, also you would have to change it if you play another country every time. Hoe theres a better solution.

 

[Duke of Bavaria]

Wasn't it reasonably common to get a member of a foreign royal/noble family to take the throne if the native line died out? Or even just a female monarch taking the name of her foreign husband. The Uk royal family is part of the Saxe-Coburg and Gotha line, for example, they just renamed themselves Winsor when the UK and Germany weren't getting along.

Well Saxe-Coburg-Gotha thing happened when Albert married Victoria, so it was a royal marriage that took place here, you could say in game terms SCG "inherited" GB. It was a different cause before with the William of Orange . Dont know about Hannover from the top of my head but i guess it was inheritance too, was it?
BTW how is the house of Windsor handled ATM, didnt Phillips line basically take ove when he married Elizabeth?
But those cases are different from the ones that use the names defined via cultures as those names represent (or should) noble families from within taking over. And in this case those names HAVE to be country specific , not culture specific.

 

[Duke of Bavaria]

I take issue with all those posters saying dynasties should be at country level. This misses the point entirely.

The thing about the Hapsburgs et al was they were above country.

Several mods already feature factions within a country so it is possible to model the minor country-specific families if you want. The dynasty feature enables us to model the super-national nature of the really great dynasties eg the relationship between Sicily and Anjou.

I think you totally miss the point, no one says dynasties should be at country level, only if there is the possibility of alternate dynasties from a country taking over they should really be plausible and based in that country, and not be defined for a whole culture.

 

[Duke of Bavaria]

I would hardly call 'von Mecklemburg' or 'von Oldenburg' family names worthy of international distinction.

I really dont have the time to name all the even minor families that came to power in big countries in the EU timefrime. Ok, one, ever heard of the Wittelsbach branch of Zweibrücken? They where swedish Kings and Kings of Bavaria later, coming from a territory far smaller than Oldenburg and mostly being occupied by France too.

 

[DaPacemDomine]

I really dont have the time to name all the even minor families that came to power in big countries in the EU timefrime. Ok, one, ever heard of the Wittelsbach branch of Zweibrücken? They where swedish Kings and Kings of Bavaria later, coming from a territory far smaller than Oldenburg and mostly being occupied by France too.

Of course, but that is, and was in the scope of EU3, a very prestigious noble family. Who's ever heard of 'von Oldenburg'?

 

[KomodoWaran]

Of course, but that is, and was in the scope of EU3, a very prestigious noble family. Who's ever heard of 'von Oldenburg'?

The House of Oldenburg

 

[Darkrenown]

BTW how is the house of Windsor handled ATM, didnt Phillips line basically take ove when he married Elizabeth?

Since they'd just recently changed to Windsor to avoid sounding German they didn't want to take his (greek? or did he have a german name too?) name and sound all foreign again.

 

[Duke of Bavaria]

Ahh, OK, BTW just found out hes a Sonderburg-Glücksburg making him an OLDENBURG...yeah quite shabby this family. :rofl:

 

[unmerged(136582)]

Anyone know if its possible to put any scopes (religion, country TAG, etc.) on those dynasty names?

This will be rather annoying to see revolter countries with wrong dynasty names; Albania with "Lazarevic" dynasty, or Granada with "de Aragon" dynasty.

If the names are going to be so out of tune with the country (its culture, religion, etc.), then we may as well not have them in there.

But nationalistic uprisings had quite often invited foreign nobles to be crowned King. The Russians invited a Viking ruler; the English a Dutch one.

Nationalism as a concept we know today was absent for most of the EU timeline. For sure, there were ethnic tensions and such, but the ideological concept of a "nation" consisting of a single "people" wasn't there. The peasants respected the nobility so much that it did not matter if he was not of the same ethnicity - they needed a ruler of divine right. Pandering to the locals was helpful, and a Catholic duke would be known to have a "revelation" that Orthodoxy is the One True Faith if it meant he would be accepted as the Tsar of Russia.

 

[DaPacemDomine]

The House of Oldenburg

Bah.

 

[Cèsar de Quart]

Of course, but that is, and was in the scope of EU3, a very prestigious noble family. Who's ever heard of 'von Oldenburg'?

The House of Oldenburg was actually quite prestigious in the XVII-XVIIIth Centuries. They were kings of Denmark and Sweden in the XVth, Tsars of Russia since the XVIIIth (Nicholas II was the last of that line), and they are the Royal House of Greece, now deposed.

Paradox did a good job selecting the names of the royal houses. Although more choices and more local would be OK, I think that, in case the Habsburg died, then another important German house may inherit. It's a matter of royal marriages: the Habsburgs were related with most of royal houses in Germany and Western Europe. Did the last Habsburg die, the most likely candidate would be one from another dynasty already famous in Germany, like the House of Oldenburg. It's not only possible, but most likely.

Look at Spain. When the Catholic Kings died, the kings were not even Spanish, they were Habsburgs, and when Charles II died, the Succession war had no Spanish claimant. They were either a Habsburg or a Bourbon. We still have a Bourbon king there, spending our money in yatchs and travels to Majorca.

I think I would thank more complexity, but it's not as bad as you make it sound. And you can always mod the dynasty name if you don't like it, can't you?


Can anybody post the French and Iberian cultures ones? I'm curious about it.

 

[Willem IV]

BTW how is the house of Windsor handled ATM, didnt Phillips line basically take ove when he married Elizabeth?

No it's line take over when Elizabeth dies. Charles III would be the first King of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg

 

[DaPacemDomine]

They can be modded, yes, and I've already done so for my game. To each their own, but with only fourteen options for German dynasties, I have a fear of seeing a half dozen 'von Oldenburgs' by the end of a given HTTT game. I've expanded the list for German dynasties, in my own game, to 94.

 

[Duke of Bavaria]

No it's line take over when Elizabeth dies. Charles III would be the first King of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg

You are right. o

 

[Duke of Bavaria]

The House of Oldenburg was actually quite prestigious in the XVII-XVIIIth Centuries. They were kings of Denmark and Sweden in the XVth, Tsars of Russia since the XVIIIth (Nicholas II was the last of that line), and they are the Royal House of Greece, now deposed.

Paradox did a good job selecting the names of the royal houses. Although more choices and more local would be OK, I think that, in case the Habsburg died, then another important German house may inherit. It's a matter of royal marriages: the Habsburgs were related with most of royal houses in Germany and Western Europe. Did the last Habsburg die, the most likely candidate would be one from another dynasty already famous in Germany, like the House of Oldenburg. It's not only possible, but most likely.

Look at Spain. When the Catholic Kings died, the kings were not even Spanish, they were Habsburgs, and when Charles II died, the Succession war had no Spanish claimant. They were either a Habsburg or a Bourbon. We still have a Bourbon king there, spending our money in yatchs and travels to Majorca.

I think I would thank more complexity, but it's not as bad as you make it sound. And you can always mod the dynasty name if you don't like it, can't you?


Can anybody post the French and Iberian cultures ones? I'm curious about it.

Well inheritance by another european dynasty is already handled via game mechanics, the list of dynasty names we are talking about is for dynasties that would come to power by overthrowing the current dynastie somehow and for this other european dynasty names are not that appropiate i guess, but rather local nobles. Thats what i and others were complaining about.

BTW until now revolter names where chosen from the advisor name list, this wouldnt be perfect as i would like to have non noble names in my advisor name list, but better than those culture defined families. But would it really be asked to much to add a ; "Noble families" section to the country file?

 

[Duke of Bavaria]

They can be modded, yes, and I've already done so for my game. To each their own, but with only fourteen options for German dynasties, I have a fear of seeing a half dozen 'von Oldenburgs' by the end of a given HTTT game. I've expanded the list for German dynasties, in my own game, to 94.

I dont have that fear, i think situations wont be much where those families get into power, but the problem is more you immiditely get a dynastie in 2 countries if the original country of that dynasty still exists, which is a little lame i guess.

 

[Wezqu]

Well finno-ugric doesn't seem to have dynasties at all even if there were several nobles families. It could have been great to see finnish dynasty without adding one by yourself but as there is none I might have to do it myself.

 

[ADP101]

Exactly this happened to muslim controlled Bengal though (literally). But I agree with your point. You could argue that most muslim countries in india ought to have foreign primary cultures (after all they where mostly persians, afghans or in one case even abysinians) but that'd be a bit harsh in some cases with the wrong religion situation already (in my mod I do use foreign culture for some indian states, as some of them did have a real problem with their imported aristocracy vs their native populations. This wouldn't really be the case for nations like Bengal, Nagaur or Gujarat though).

Do note that it seems that only the last name is chosen by culture group, while the first name is from the country files. Which makes sense really as most monarchs would change their first name to fit with the country they were taking over.

I know thats what i plan to do. Im going to put the Bahaminis in a Persian primary culture and give them modiferes to cancel out the wrong culture and what not. But the problem is the Sultanate of Gujarat should actually have the Gujarati prim culture. The mughals have Uzbecki, Delhians have perisan, the Bengali should have some kind of Afghan, Janpur (bihar in vanilla) was actually a muslim state not a hindu state theres not much on them but im assuming they should have Bihari or Hindustani Primary culture.

Seriously the India is EUIII is so badly done. I mean Kanauj (the culture in most of North India) is barley even spoken in India, it should be Hindustani or something. Seriously, one trip on wikipedia can improve it compelty. I mean they even put the Himalayas in India! It goes through Delhi >.>. I mean I dont want paradox to did what i did with my AO, but just a little bit of realism would do >.>