I started out Gavel-Kind and now I acquired my first province in a new game I git the notification loss of succession. NOw do I change it and if so what is best one to change it to. And I also got a notification stating my heir is not landed. Should I give him one of my lands or should I wait? I only have two right now?
When you acquire your first province Should I change law?
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You do want to change out of gavelkind quickly. Almost any other succession law is better.
Ok What law shoudl I change? Was thinking Prog something or other lol as election doesn't seem like it would benefit me or my heir. But then again I don't know. And when should I give my sone a land is it important that I do it now or when I am ready?
Play around. Each succession law has its pros and cons. Find one that suits your tastes and needs.
My favourite is elective. You also only need low crown authority to get it. Crown authority (CA) is tricky because you can only change it once per lifetime.
Go to your law panel (F4) and check the conditions when you hover over "Elective Monarchy". They all have to be fulfilled before you can change the succession law.
With elective monarchy, you can choose any heir you want. Just make sure he is of your dynasty. That way, if your eldest son(s) are cruel, arbitrary imbeciles, you can bypass them.
Go to your law panel (F4) and check the conditions when you hover over "Elective Monarchy". They all have to be fulfilled before you can change the succession law.
With elective monarchy, you can choose any heir you want. Just make sure he is of your dynasty. That way, if your eldest son(s) are cruel, arbitrary imbeciles, you can bypass them.
The only problem with elective monarchies (this applies more to kingdoms and empires) is that, if you're not careful, your realm can go to one of your vassals/electors instead of you.
If you're an empire, keep the empire under another law. The kingdoms can go elective.
Yeah I just chose Elective and the nominated my youngest son who is 3 due to my eldest being ambitious and a few more things that I think are negative but the powers to be elected the mayor who is not in my dynasty. So I dont think Elective is way to go in this scenario, and when or how long after you get notified that you have an unlanded son should you land him or do i even have to?
Landing kids is a choice you will need to make, I never land the lazy sods. They have caused me far to many rebellions. I treat my family as an ally resource only. Play around find what works for you, but i a gree dump gravel. 
My rule is small realm, elective, large realm kingdom or empire, eldest child. Some people like varity the eldest member offers.
My rule is small realm, elective, large realm kingdom or empire, eldest child. Some people like varity the eldest member offers.
You get a fairly sizable prestige penalty per month for each unlanded son. So the longer you wait to land them, the more prestige you miss out on. You never have to land them.
Go Gavelkind for the Stewardship bonus and land your sons as bishops with Free Investiture. That way you can hold more counties and retain them.
Elective is always quite risky, although it's less unpredictable if you have a large realm. Primogeniture is the safest, easiest option which also allows you to plan ahead well. Seniority is the weakest option in my opinion, although it has a few advantages: you'll never have to suffer through a regency and when your dynasty has expanded all across the continent, Seniority often allows you to eventually unite the dynasty holdings under a single ruler. Its disadvantages are more numerous, though: always the short reign penalty crippling you, very hard to make sure your heir is competent, and extremely hard to switch out of (because you don't have enough time to stabilise your realm in order to fulfill the requirements for succession law switching). In short: if you have no luck with Elective, the best way to go is Primogeniture. Indeed, I almost always go with that.
(My favorite is the Turkish succession, though. It's like elective, with only you as the elector and only your sons as the candidates. However, it's only for Muslims, unfortunately. If you want to try that out, I recommend a minor in Northwest Africa at first.)
(My favorite is the Turkish succession, though. It's like elective, with only you as the elector and only your sons as the candidates. However, it's only for Muslims, unfortunately. If you want to try that out, I recommend a minor in Northwest Africa at first.)
My problem with primogeniture is that during the high crown authority period needed to enact it, vassals will switch to it and stop fracturing their land at each succession, soon forming superdukes. I tend to go with elective or gavelkind, and use bishoprics to take care of surplus sons.
I've been playing elective for months, and I never had a problem. Just yesterday was the first time my target heir would not have been voted as head of the HRE, so I assassinated the rival candidate, and all was fine again.
Can you tell me how to use bishoprics to take care of the other sons? DO you assign them to a bishopric? And what happens when you choose Elective and one of the other vassals pick themselves and the person ( your son) loses? HOw do you fix that so that I can keep the titles in my family?
Elective is the best imo, simply don't grant ducal level+ titles at all and destroy them all. Maybe keep 2 for yourself and maybe a couple for your heir. Also make every single vassal of yours a bishop and you won't get any trouble.
Under elective law you need to stay on good terms with enough electors to win the vote. If you don't, you'll lose the title. Making your lastborn sons bishops removes them from succession and keeps the bishopric in your family - but just for one generation, then you either have to give the bishopric to another relative, of it will go to a NPC (you'll need free investiture all the time, though, which won't make the pope happy). Also, make sure you don't run out of sons - if your designated heir dies and you made all other male relatives into clergymen, you might have a problem...
Wouln't that give you a massive "too many votes held" penalty even with bishops?
Under elective law you need to stay on good terms with enough electors to win the vote. If you don't, you'll lose the title. Making your lastborn sons bishops removes them from succession and keeps the bishopric in your family - but just for one generation, then you either have to give the bishopric to another relative, of it will go to a NPC (you'll need free investiture all the time, though, which won't make the pope happy). Also, make sure you don't run out of sons - if your designated heir dies and you made all other male relatives into clergymen, you might have a problem...
Great info in this thread. Now here is a stupid question... How do I make people vassals and or my sons bishops? What is the advantage of making vassals bishops? And last but not least " don't grant ducal+ titles" What exactly is a ducal + title? Sorry guys still trying to wrap my head around all of this
Thanks...
A ducal+ title is a Duke/King title. Make sure all of your vassals are counts, so you don't need to take care of the pesky electors. Having bishops as vassals is better because of the open succession of bishoprics as well as the investiture mechanics so they don't inherit claims from their predecessors, since they almost always don't have any family. There are a lot of bonuses that can be gained as well, such as the paragon of virtue ambition, which gives a +50 opinion provided you reach 500 piety. To make someone a vassal simply go to their diplomacy screen--->grant landed title. To make someone a bishop vassal with free investiture, go to the religious tab(cross) and click appoint successor under the bishopric you want that person to take over. After that, simply wait for the current bishop to die/assasinate them.Great info in this thread. Now here is a stupid question... How do I make people vassals and or my sons bishops? What is the advantage of making vassals bishops? And last but not least " don't grant ducal+ titles" What exactly is a ducal + title? Sorry guys still trying to wrap my head around all of this