When will Western Europe Get some love?

[Agrippa43]

Okay, we have had DLC's for those Muslim Types, Byzantines, and now "Aztecs"

How something for western Europe? New Sprite packs at least for early, mid, and late era armies?

 

[Olaus Petrus]

What's wrong with current West European sprites? I think those look quite nice.

And let's not forget that mechanics of the game are modeled after Western Europe. Muslim and Byzantine DLCs enhanced areas which didn't fit to that model. I think that most fitting Western Europe expansions would deal with merchant republics and Catholic Church, because feudal monarchies are already well covered. In my opinion Eastern Europe needs more attention than the Western Europe, because feudal mechanics don't really portray that well the internal struggles of Slavic ruling dynasties and their inheritance system and then there's plenty of Pagans who could have some attention.

 

[Heyomif]

The whole game is really all about Western Europe, the other stuff is just a bonus.

 

[Mamluk]

This whole game is centered around those Western European "types", hence the "Crusader" in the title. The DLCs are just supposed to give more love to the ones that didn't receive any in the beginning.

 

[unmerged(237533)]

Though Catholicism needs a DLC. Papal elections, proper investiture crises, coronation of HRE, relics and pilgrimage are all missing.

 

[CB60]

Though Catholicism needs a DLC. Papal elections, proper investiture crises, coronation of HRE, relics and pilgrimage are all missing.

Ah, relics and pilgrimages! That's the stuff!

 

[markmid]

Though Catholicism needs a DLC. Papal elections, proper investiture crises, coronation of HRE, relics and pilgrimage are all missing.

That is thinking outside the box , actually adding events and intrigue, further depth to the France, Germany, England etc is another possible DLC! What else could go in there?

 

[Me_]

That is thinking outside the box , actually adding events and intrigue, further depth to the France, Germany, England etc is another possible DLC! What else could go in there?

Reconquista obviously (events, decisions, Muslim-Christian alliances). And the Zombie-Vikings Invasion.

 

[fcmsaab]

Reconquista obviously (events, decisions, Muslim-Christian alliances). And the Zombie-Vikings Invasion.

100 hundred years wars events, plots, triggered modifiers etc.
Teutonic knights crusades on eastern pagans.

 

[leothor]

Though Catholicism needs a DLC. Papal elections, proper investiture crises, coronation of HRE, relics and pilgrimage are all missing.

Great idea! Also Crusades need more flavour! In the game it's not understandable why Jerusalem it's so important for christians...
and the monks... the founders of modern Europe!!

 

[WovenTide]

College of Caridinals and more depth for the heresy's sistem would be great...

 

[imperium3]

Just more depth for the HRE would be nice, so it's less of an all-conquering powerhouse. Perhaps if an Emperor has to work very hard in order to get any levies at all from his larger vassals, unless they have a personal stake in the war...

 

[Gingerninja]

100 hundred years wars events, plots, triggered modifiers etc.
Teutonic knights crusades on eastern pagans.

Will never happen unless the European Catholics in central and northern Europe are told not to invade the pagans with the free CB until the Teutonics have established. Or buff the pagans to withstand HRE (lol). If you do that they would either have a decline in power, or the teutonics are extremely buffed when they receive land in Eastern Europe. The holy order group you can hire for instance can increase in strength depending on number/quality of provinces De Facto part of the Order. Because right now, giving two counties(usually poor, recently conquered, different culture group, different religion) to the Order makes them vanish after a decade. Especially to the mongols....

 

[justin6477]

You know, we need a DLC (patch more likely) to address the simplicity of rebels. As it stands, nations like Wallachia never form. Which is generally ok, but I've never seen a Vlach count. Shouldn't they, y'know, rebel and create Vlach lords? Shouldn't the Irish try and oust me if I'm England? etc. etc.

I do think there's some room for more Western flavor, but it'll probably be in LoR style DLCs where most of the features are in the patch and available to everyone.

 

[brxbrx]

A Catholicism DLC would be excellent. Something that adds to papal elections: letting existing character become pope.

Adding an Albigensian crusade scenario would also be cool (along with expansions of heresies).

Delving into Irish and Welsh traditions would be good as well. Vying for the title of High King of Ireland would make Ireland more fun to play for non-expansionist games.

 

[markmid]

Will never happen unless the European Catholics in central and northern Europe are told not to invade the pagans with the free CB until the Teutonics have established. Or buff the pagans to withstand HRE (lol). If you do that they would either have a decline in power, or the teutonics are extremely buffed when they receive land in Eastern Europe. The holy order group you can hire for instance can increase in strength depending on number/quality of provinces De Facto part of the Order. Because right now, giving two counties(usually poor, recently conquered, different culture group, different religion) to the Order makes them vanish after a decade. Especially to the mongols....

Well I am still in the HRE should be nerfed camp , so predictable and blobby, maybe one way would be through the use of holy orders which act initially as an extension of their power without being under their direct control? Just throwing ideas around.

 

[Lord Finnish]

+1 for a Catholic DLC.

 

[NezzeOne]

Well I am still in the HRE should be nerfed camp , so predictable and blobby, maybe one way would be through the use of holy orders which act initially as an extension of their power without being under their direct control? Just throwing ideas around.

Honestly, they'd be a lot less blobby if --

A. The Italians and Occitans had an easier time splitting away at the 1066 start, and

B. The HRE had a harder time raising crown authority than other kingdoms/empires.

 

[brxbrx]

B. The HRE had a harder time raising crown authority than other kingdoms/empires.

Yeah, infinitely this. It should be possible, but very very difficult. Same with changing succession laws.

 

[Olaus Petrus]

+1 for a Catholic DLC.

I think most of the improvement suggestions here could be included in patches rather than DLC, personally I think that DLC should be reserved for whole new game mechanics rather than to just some flavour events, improvements in history files etc.

Honestly, they'd be a lot less blobby if --

A. The Italians and Occitans had an easier time splitting away at the 1066 start, and

B. The HRE had a harder time raising crown authority than other kingdoms/empires.

I think that other Catholic empires should face same issues as the HRE. For example lords of Empire of Francia would be as willing to become more independent if the emperor is weak, just like lords of France did when Capet dynasty was weak. But also HRE should have option to centralize it's power, because in the alternative history emperor might have won the investiture controversy and instead of losing the imperial power he could have increased it by defeating the pope and installing a loyal popes of his own.