Brasidas said:
That's utterly retarded. People whose computers can't handle EU3, or players of other Paradox games who want to help, can't access the mod forum? A caste system? What's this 1984 vibe I keep getting here?
When will we be getting a mod forum?
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That's utterly retarded. People whose computers can't handle EU3, or players of other Paradox games who want to help, can't access the mod forum? A caste system? What's this 1984 vibe I keep getting here?
So long as the AAR forum is available to everyone, I can see the grassroots thing.
As far as the mod forum... if you don't have the game, how will you test the mod files to be sure they 1) work and 2) make sense in-game?
Unless you mean you'd enjoy spending time toiling away determining the 37 sub-religions of Buddhism, in which case I'd say spend the money, but EU3 even if you can't run it, because honestly you have too much free time anyway.
As far as the mod forum... if you don't have the game, how will you test the mod files to be sure they 1) work and 2) make sense in-game?
Unless you mean you'd enjoy spending time toiling away determining the 37 sub-religions of Buddhism, in which case I'd say spend the money, but EU3 even if you can't run it, because honestly you have too much free time anyway.
Duuk said:So long as the AAR forum is available to everyone, I can see the grassroots thing.
As far as the mod forum... if you don't have the game, how will you test the mod files to be sure they 1) work and 2) make sense in-game?
Unless you mean you'd enjoy spending time toiling away determining the 37 sub-religions of Buddhism, in which case I'd say spend the money, but EU3 even if you can't run it, because honestly you have too much free time anyway.
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On a more serious note, why not? A lot of people have shown in the past that they are very interested in working on mods they won't ever play.
I'm as big a Paradox fan as the next guy, but this means I'm also interested in pointing out when they're about to make a silly mistake as regards to their fan-base.
And this is nothing but silly.
Well I guess it's Paradox decision after all and I'm happy to just get the game tomorrow (CE version). One of the main reason I didn't buy Diplomacy though was that the forum for Diplomacy looked so empty. Diplomacy is mainly a multiplayer game even if Paradox has made an AI for it and if it appears to be empty then it will scare away alot of potential buyers. If the mod forum for Diplomacy had been open for us to view then I also could see what kind of mods you could do with Diplomacy, which could have made me buy the game after all (because we all know vanilla Diplomacy is boring eh )
Maybe EU3 will be another type of case though... what do I know?
)Maybe EU3 will be another type of case though... what do I know?
Actually, I'll admit up front I haven't been very active in the mod world. The last mod I used 100% of the time was the IGC for EU1.
Is there really a big call for people that don't actually have the game to help with mods? I'm asking, not being sarcastic. I have no idea. If this IS something that is pretty common, then I agree the mod forum should probably be "open" because even if the twinks don't buy EU3 they'll at least make something useful for the paying customers.
If however it's for 1-2 people that are active modders without the game, it might be easier to make them an exception rather than the rule.
Is there really a big call for people that don't actually have the game to help with mods? I'm asking, not being sarcastic. I have no idea. If this IS something that is pretty common, then I agree the mod forum should probably be "open" because even if the twinks don't buy EU3 they'll at least make something useful for the paying customers.
If however it's for 1-2 people that are active modders without the game, it might be easier to make them an exception rather than the rule.
Powerslave said:Well I guess it's Paradox decision after all and I'm happy to just get the game tomorrow (CE version). One of the main reason I didn't buy Diplomacy though was that the forum for Diplomacy looked so empty. Diplomacy is mainly a multiplayer game even if Paradox has made an AI for it and if it appears to be empty then it will scare away alot of potential buyers. If the mod forum for Diplomacy had been open for us to view then I also could see what kind of mods you could do with Diplomacy.
Maybe EU3 will be another type of case though... what do I know?
It is certainly more well known but closing the mod and MP fora to non-owners is counter-intuitive and throwing away free marketing.
Duuk said:
I'm not an active modder myself. I've never seen the appelation of doing all that work when I can just sit back and enjoy the hard labour of others. I guess I'm just wired that capitalist way.
But from what I've seen in the community, there are plenty of idle hands who will and do help out with mods they aren't even interested in playing.
That is all really not the point, however. The point is that people who are not owners aren't able to see the vibrant mod community, nor are they able to read the MP threads which are guaranteed to hook the right kind of player. Effectively, free marketing is being wasted by hiding the fora.
But hey, it's certainly their prerogative. I'm sure some russian will be able to create a matchmaking service if theirs goes away.
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I can tell your right away that I would never ever have bought EU2 (and probably not EU3 recently) if it wasn't for the mods (EEP, AGC, AGC-EEP, MES), and yes, I found out about them through the forums...
Piracy happens, it isn't like it's a big hush-hush. It wouldn't surprise me if the devs takes part in it. Games that are good and have longevity, you buy.
I can tell your right away that I would never ever have bought EU2 (and probably not EU3 recently) if it wasn't for the mods (EEP, AGC, AGC-EEP, MES), and yes, I found out about them through the forums...
Piracy happens, it isn't like it's a big hush-hush. It wouldn't surprise me if the devs takes part in it. Games that are good and have longevity, you buy.
I think the AAR forum and the MP forum should be open-to-all. Beyond that I don't think it's necessary.Slargos said:
Of course, I think you should have to be registered like 2 years before you can see the OT forum.
I do agree with this somewhat - locking players out of the modding forum who don't own the game is a bad idea. Preventing them from starting new threads however is not. Registered users (especially those with a good number of posts under their belt) should be able to reply to existing threads and of course see the forum. Non-registered users should at least be able to see the forum- At best all the current policy will do is drive traffic to uncontrollable third party mod sites. At worst it will prevent people who otherwise might commit to buying the game from doing so.
Just my 2 cents...
Just my 2 cents...
Havard said:There is a mod forum.
You will get there when you register the game
We havent' moved most of the modding threads here, since they are mainly dealing with the demo
I think this is a bad idea since I've bought two Paradox games because of the forums. HoI2 for the mods and CK because what I gleamed from the AAR forums.
Although I will eventually buy EU3 because I have been following it for a while, it maybe quite some time because I need a new computer to do so. (otherwise known as waiting for my US tax refund).
But I won't be able to keep up with the process until then.
Or if I bought the game... Can I view the forums without actually installing or getting the game to run?
vertinox said:
Yes. You just need the snappy code off the back of the manual and the "My Games" tab at the top of the forum.
This issue doesn't really have anything to do with piracy---and I would rather we didn't get into a discussion about piracy, because the thread will end up being closed, and it is a very useful thread.Namm said:
I think that would be fine. I can't see any reason why you would need to start a new thread if you didn't have the game---after all, if you didn't have it, you probably wouldn't be starting any new mods, just contributing to existing ones.Strager said:
Besides, it just occurred to me that I started posting in the EU2 forum before I had EU2, and in the Victoria forum before I had Victoria, and the forum experience was an important contributing factor to my decision to buy the games.
I just realized that they probably just don't want pirates to benefit from the added content of the mod and mp communities. Don't I feel silly now. o
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Strager said:
Yeah, I'd say that the mod forums should definitely be viewable to non-registered users, but posting should be dependant upon registering the game. As has been said above, being able to see the additional free content being created by modders can act as excellent advertising to people who've come to the forums but haven't yet bought the game.
Slargos said:I just realized that they probably just don't want pirates to benefit from the added content of the mod and mp communities. Don't I feel silly now.
I agree- but do you really think that a single pirate out there would be disuaded from pirating by doing this? Theres bound to be third party mod sites and they will simply get their mods there. It sucks for us legit-buyers but thats the way the cookie crumbles. However I stand by my earlier post and think that would be the best way to do it.
I agree with this as well - lets try to steer the conversation away from the P word.
That's a large part of it, yes. The same is true of the tech support forum which will only be visible to registered owners of the game. No sense spending time supporting pirates.Slargos said:I just realized that they probably just don't want pirates to benefit from the added content of the mod and mp communities. Don't I feel silly now.
(There was an interesting article about this in the GalCiv fourm -- written by the lead designer iirc -- but I can't find it now. His estimate on support cost to pirates was scary!
)For me it looks like paradox wants to make money on modders, who first buy the game, than they work non-profit and paradox wants to take advantage of their work...
for me it is just greed
for me it is just greed
rybka said:
I totally disagree with this assessment - it is about money - but about protecting the money they gain from preventing the illigal distribution of their copyrighted material. Even if what you said was true - they DO have the right to make money off of anything based on their work.... but I don't think this is the case.