When the World Stopped Making Sense [ A 480 Migrational Period Mod]

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Sounds good to me

An issue I can think of is why would the first event happen. In Northumbria it was because it was where the Roman and Insular churches met, both establishing monasteries and there was a mixing of ideas, but how would you represent this in game?
 

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Sounds good to me, and it got me thinking: There really needs to be more traits in this game. Sometimes I feel that the existing vanilla ones are just too generic. Some suggestions:

Arrogant
Curious
Fat
Fit
Smallminded
Loud
Quiet
Athletic
Inspired/Inspiring
Innocent
Dreamy
Absent

VIET adds sime similar traits, so they are not needed.

I was wondering if you were thinking of adding any flavour events concerning the Renaissances of the Early Middle Ages. I feel they could work really well and should be included due to their historical importance to both the people and most importantly the characters ruling at that time. Charlemagne and Alfred the Great are remembered as great rulers due to their encouragement of culture and learning in the realm. This could be implemented with a boost to culture technology and huge prestige and piety bonuses who are taking part in the rebirth of knowledge as well as other flavour events.

"Great suggestions here"

I think this would add an extra dimension to the roleplaying experience of CK2. What do you think?

Sounds great!
 
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An issue I can think of is why would the first event happen. In Northumbria it was because it was where the Roman and Insular churches met, both establishing monasteries and there was a mixing of ideas, but how would you represent this in game?

Is Northumbria a multi-province kingdom? Then we would just mix the provinces religions up a bit. Otherwise, some of the courtiers could be Nicenes
 

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Renaissance events should only happen at start dates at their time. Events like that only happened by chance of circumstance. I know it's hard, but streamlining history is not fun.
 

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Renaissance events should only happen at start dates at their time. Events like that only happened by chance of circumstance. I know it's hard, but streamlining history is not fun.
You are definetly, right they are not going to be enforced, but they could be tied to certain positions and decisions. For example if a person with certain traits create an empire they could happen dynamically, or they could be more generalized. A ruler could decide to support culture in his domain and tech could be given boosts.
 

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Arrogant=Proud
Fat=Gluttonous
Quiet=Shy
Athletic/Fit=Strong
Inspired/Inspiring=I am pretty sure there's a Inspiring Leader combat trait in already
Innocent=??? Kind I guess

Now that is just wrong:

Arrogant - having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities.
Proud - feeling deep pleasure or satisfaction as a result of one's own achievements, qualities, or possessions or those of someone with whom one is closely associated.

Arrogant =/= Proud

Fat - having too much flabby tissue.
Gluttonous - tending to eat and drink excessively.

Fat =/= Gluttonous.

Quiet - free from anger, impatience, or other extreme emotion.
Shy - disposed to avoid a person or thing.

Quiet =/= Shy.

Athletic/Fit - vigorously active.
Strong - involving or possessing physical or mental strength.

Athletic/Fit =/= Strong.

Inspired - as if aroused or guided by something divine.
Inspiring - causing people to want to do or create something or to lead better lives.

Inspired =/= Inspiring.
 

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Now that is just wrong:

Arrogant - having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities.
Proud - feeling deep pleasure or satisfaction as a result of one's own achievements, qualities, or possessions or those of someone with whom one is closely associated.
They are basically the same, an arrogant person is basically somebody proud but without the skills to back it up. The game also shows an exaggerated self-importance in one of the events that you get the proud trait, identical to how you described Arrogant.

Fat - having too much flabby tissue.
Gluttonous - tending to eat and drink excessively.
You get fat as a result of being gluttonous, most persons in the game who are gluttonous would thus be fat. A event also describes gluttons as being unattractive, probably due the fact that they indeed are fat.

Quiet - free from anger, impatience, or other extreme emotion.
Shy - disposed to avoid a person or thing.

Quiet =/= Shy.
So it litterally is the Patient trait then?

Athletic/Fit - vigorously active.
Strong - involving or possessing physical or mental strength.
Being athletic is basically the same as being strong. I suppose fit is a combination of strong and diligent and can furthermore also be distributed in one of the lifestyle traits which basically specifies that they are active and what they are active in.

Inspired - as if aroused or guided by something divine.
Inspiring - causing people to want to do or create something or to lead better lives.

Inspired =/= Inspiring
Inspired is then according to your definition basically what Zealous is now
Inspiring is already in the game, trait number 105, inspiring leader.

Inspiring Leader: This character has a way of reaching directly into the hearts and minds of the soldiers on the battlefield, and not just with a sword.
 

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Those traits are ,however, partially added by VIET (who is integrated). There are also a lot more congenital traits.
 

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A problem with too many loadingscreens can be that the mod becomes very heavy to download, so I would limit it to a few selected amongst the others. Remember that this is a major overhaul, after all so it will probably be quiet heavy anyway. Maybe you could leave them as an optional flavour and not included in the main download?

Does anyone know some good music that is copyright free that could be used for this period? It could be good to have that as an additional flavour element.
 
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A problem with too many loadingscreens can be that the mod becomes very heavy to download, so I would limit it to a few selected amongst the others. Remember that this is a major overhaul, after all so it will probably be quiet heavy anyway. Maybe you could leave them as an optional flavour and not included in the main download?

Does anyone know some good music that is copyright free that could be used for this period? It could be good to have that as an additional flavour element.

I'm currently using some of the VIET music packs (with credit) but any other good sources would be great.
 

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I'm currently using some of the VIET music packs (with credit) but any other good sources would be great.

https://www.youtube.com/user/teknoaxe

His channel contains hundreds of royality free music tracks. Just choose your favorites.

I chose some that might fit your style:


















 
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https://www.youtube.com/user/teknoaxe

His channel contains hundreds of royality free music tracks. Just choose your favorites.

It is not tekno music only, right? (I have not listened to it either)

I'm currently using some of the VIET music packs (with credit) but any other good sources would be great.

That is good, I also thought upon that music, but was not sure about what would fit. Lux Invicta has some unique music if I remember correctly, maybe that could be a good source?
 
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