When should I grant independence?
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I haven't tried this, but I think you could grant independence to vassals whose lands border the hordes to slow them down. They'd have to fight separate invasions of every little independent realm you put in their path, right?
My emperor of the HRE died, and now i'm playing as his son who i got on the Byzantium throne by murdering five babies and getting a good marriage when there finally was an empress. Problem is: now I'm way over my vassal limit. The new emperor doen't have the piety to create one of the ten kingdoms that could be created to get the vassal count down. There's an indepence faction at 220% that can't be far from giving me an ultimatum. I was planning on waiting for them to revolt and then fight them, but now i see no one is paying taxes, so i'm gonna go bankrupt even if i win the next war. Might this be a moment to grand some indepence to any some kingdoms that wont contribute to me restoring the old borders of the Roman empire, which is my goal? I can't think of another sollution.
As roleplay scenarios, you could say that your ruler is tired of dealing with that family, and the effort to keep them happy/under control is not worth the land.How can I roleplay such an event?
I can only see such a scenario if the ruler is generous - but wouldn't it be too much to give away independence? I just give them gifts, at the top of my generous roleplay...
Perhaps if the ruler is insane too?
Especially if your armies are the only thing protecting that lowly count from the other big countries around him. Just say 'screw it, you wanted to fight for yourself? Have fun getting invaded'
Guys, please, don't necro threads from 2013...
In this case the situation changed with the introduction of vassal limits and threat, better make a new thread.
And yes, if your goal is restoring the Roman Empire and you're over the vassal limit releasing a couple vassals outside the traditional borders seems like a good idea.
In this case the situation changed with the introduction of vassal limits and threat, better make a new thread.
And yes, if your goal is restoring the Roman Empire and you're over the vassal limit releasing a couple vassals outside the traditional borders seems like a good idea.
Sorry, about the necromancy. I'm not much of a boards person; I thought I was doing everybody a service, since all I ever read is: "there's allready a tread for this..." Thanks for your answer though, I wasn't sure if a was overlooking some mechanic or solution to my vassal problem, as i'm still in my first ever CK2 game.
HAHAHAHAHAHA yes this!! Thats the story of my life too on these boards. The problem with this game in particular is that for whatever reason the search function isnt great at finding EXACTLY what I am looking for. So its usually easier to make a new thread rather than try & sift back through thousands of threads. But yea, you're damned if you do & damned if you dont pretty much.
When I'm playing a Norse campaign, I like to conquest enough land to make a super duke (+3 titles at least) and grand independence. See how well this new little kingdom does. Usually a distant relation. Always after reforming.
Írland is always my first target.
Írland is always my first target.
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Despite the way some people play, it wasn't intended that you be able to conquer the whole world and hold it yourself. Your dynasty is what you're supposed to spread. So if you can't keep newly acquired land due to vassal limits or threat level then replace the titles top to bottom with your dynasty and set it loose.
I had a thread asking if people were using grant independence since it was, in my limited experience, very effective in cutting threat, but I wouldn't expect someone to find it.HAHAHAHAHAHA yes this!! Thats the story of my life too on these boards. The problem with this game in particular is that for whatever reason the search function isnt great at finding EXACTLY what I am looking for. So its usually easier to make a new thread rather than try & sift back through thousands of threads. But yea, you're damned if you do & damned if you dont pretty much.
If you've acquired a county on the other side of the map that you can't really defend effectively, it's a good idea. Also useful if you want to avoid getting into foreign politics with the lords adjacent to your land. Alternatively you can use it to 'split off' part of your dynasty by leaving it to another family member. An AI-controlled ally can be useful.
Vassal limits are another reason to grant independence. If you have the odd county lying about and don't want to overly-empower existing lords you can just give them away.