...when I see an elephant fly!

[Leadfingers]

I be done seen about everything....

But in my last game, I saw USA join the Commintern. How is that possible? (I was playing Nationalist Spain.) I'd love to play USA as Commintern, if I could reliably do it.


Also, I've sometimes seen Vichy France join the Axis. How does that happen?

 

[Pro_Consul]

If a neutral is attacked by a member of a faction which is at war with another faction, then they join that opposing faction by default.

 

[gunstickuncle]

I'm gonna quote myself because I already answered this this week....

If Japan is at war with both factions, and the Comintern holds more VP than the Allies at the time of the attack, the USA go Comintern.

Just to make myself absolutely clear: ideology does not matter at all. It's game mechanics that decices what faction they auto-join.

 

[21oliver]

If a neutral is attacked by a member of a faction which is at war with another faction, then they join that opposing faction by default.

Huh?

:blink:

 

[gunstickuncle]

Huh?

:blink:

Pro Consul wrote a general description of how auto-joins work, and I more or less gave an example for that.
The special thing in this case is that USA has two different factions that are eligible for auto-join (because Japan apparently is at war with both of them), so it has to be decided by number of faction controlled VP between those two possible factions (here: Allies and Comintern).
What exactly is confusing you?

 

[21oliver]

I understand how it works i was just making fun of the wording and messing around. I was going to mention the war with two factions bit, as that can happen quite frequently with the Axis being the aggressors. Personally id like to see the attacked Nation join the faction that it is closely linked to, it makes more sense to me.

Example. The Axis is at war with the Soviets and the Allies. The Soviets have been rampaging around the world and the Allies are being defensive. Japan then attacks the US. Guess what, the US still would likely join the Allies, VPs be damned. Now if the Allies were on the verge of defeat then perhaps we could consider the Survival of the fittest bit and say yeah the US goes in the Comintern. Actually including the surrender progress into the equation would make it even more realistic.

 

[21oliver]

What happened in this case;

Current game as Communist China. Ive taken Nationalist China, Guangxi Clique is in the Axis corner about to join (Yunnan already did). I DOW'd them and conquered them. They joined the Allies. At the time the Axis had 9 Victory Conditions and the Allies had 1 (Germany had all but beaten the Soviets). Even with that the allies had more VPs you think? Or what happened? For me logically (even strategically) Guangxi would have joined the Axis. I realize i was unfactioned but im trying to get a grasp on this happened.

 

[gunstickuncle]

The auto-join only works if the aggressor is member of a faction. It`s all about victory points, not victory conditions.

Since you (CHC) were not member of a faction, you had no influence on what faction they join (assuming you did nox exert influence).
CYN probably joined Axis the usual way of (alignment & low neutrality).
So in order to explore what happened to CGX we can safely say it was not an auto-join that you forced directly.
My first guess its that Japan also DoWed them and they drove them into the Allied faction, not you.

 

[21oliver]

Sounds reasonable except i got all their territory. I dont recall seeing Japan at war with them. If i see that again ill explore it deeper.

I also as i have mentioned in several threads think that VP bit is simply a bad format. It should be redone.

 

[gunstickuncle]

I also as i have mentioned in several threads think that VP bit is simply a bad format. It should be redone.

You have pointed that out sufficiently, but it will not happen. It's not perfect, but at least we understand how it works.

 

[21oliver]

You have pointed that out sufficiently, but it will not happen. It's not perfect, but at least we understand how it works.

I meant the VP system in regards to auto joining factions. There is no reason it cant be modified to work properly. My fault if i wasnt clear.

 

[Pro_Consul]

There is no reason it cant be modified to work properly.

But the point remains, it isn't going to happen. That is a hardcoded aspect of the engine, not something susceptible to modding. And we all know PI is done developing HOI3 and has turned to the HOI4 project.

 

[21oliver]

My point was essentially for HOI4, i dont expect any changes to HOI3. Sorry for not being clear.