I'm at current tech, I've researched them and I can't build a single Furnace in 1706. Anyone got any ideas? (I'm playing Ironman, so no mods and no weird stuff on my end.)
When Are Furnances Supposed to Become Available?
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They are unlocked with admin tech 21, so around the 1660, but you need coal to build them which require the Enlightenment to be present in the province where they are latent to spawn, so in practice anytime after 1700, but it depends where the institution spawns, where you are and what spread you can get.
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Figured it out now.
Apparently, in order to find coal, you need Enlightenment, and to spawn Enlightenment you need to build a University in a province with 30+ dev. And neither the AI nor the player builds Universities in provinces where development costs are absurdly high.
Hence in 1709, I don't have Enlightenment because I don't do stupid things like build Universities in provinces I'm not going to dev.
Because really, if you have a choice to dev a 5 dev province or a 25 dev province, where are you going to spend your power points? And since you only build Universities in provinces you are actually going to dev, you fall into a black hole of weird game logic.
IDK man, at the time when you can build universities - certainly by the 1700's - I usually build one in my capital. Partially because it helps with Concentrate Development for cheaper coring, but the real reason? Can you really be a leading power without a grand, prestigeous university in your capital? Nay, I say! 250 ducats or whatever a University is isn't exactly back-breaking to fund at that stage of the game either.
Oh yeah, and it helps me spawn Enlightenment when I'm supposed to, I guess.
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And if you want to role play, that's fantastic. But from a maximizing the most bang for your buck, building a University in a 40 dev province is pointless, while building a University in a 3 dev province is priceless. I mean if I have 200 power points I'd rather dev mil 4-5 times over 1 time. Because 4-5 extra development will help me a lot more than 1 development.IDK man, at the time when you can build universities - certainly by the 1700's - I usually build one in my capital. Partially because it helps with Concentrate Development for cheaper coring, but the real reason? Can you really be a leading power without a grand, prestigeous university in your capital? Nay, I say! 250 ducats or whatever a University is isn't exactly back-breaking to fund at that stage of the game either.
Oh yeah, and it helps me spawn Enlightenment when I'm supposed to, I guess.
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if you're actually minmaxing, by 1700 you're so stupidly rich it doesn't matter
you drop universities in your biggest cities both to fish for the initial spawn or to help enlightenment spread. there is very little reason it should take you longer than 1710 to embrace it (unless it spawns on wrong continent, but that has a bad tendency to crash the game in my experience)
you drop universities in your biggest cities both to fish for the initial spawn or to help enlightenment spread. there is very little reason it should take you longer than 1710 to embrace it (unless it spawns on wrong continent, but that has a bad tendency to crash the game in my experience)
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The point is, when I target provinces to receive Universities, I go for the lowest dev cost provinces and 3 dev cost provinces if possible.
I don't go for 40 dev provinces. The fact that Universities spawn Enlightenment was news to me because you have to go searching for such information on the world wide web. It shouldn't be a mystery to a player as to why you have to build universities in provinces which won't be developed.
The game should be intuitive or it should spell it out for you, if you have to sacrifice gold, to spawn this institution. I shouldn't have to search a forum and get annoyed to figure it out.
Maybe I'm misremembering, but don't you get to keep the free building slot if you delete the university after having built it? If so, there's your incentive for building them in high dev provinces.
If you’re trying to meta the game then do what’s needed to embrace institutions and get coal and furnaces before deving up small provinces. It’s a no brainer.
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Until today, I didn't know what you had to do. And apparently neither does the AI since not one single province has a University in it in 1709 of my game.
So, obviously it is not a meta if even the AI is unaware of it.
You do have a point. It’s convoluted and not very intuitive. As most mechanics in the game.
I rarely play a game for this long so not used to the scenario and don’t pay much attention to what the AI usually builds.
But do they really not build universities at all? I thought a few provinces even started with them or am I misremembering?
Usually the AI will build universities in their capital or certain high dev provinces. If they didn't, Enlightenment would spawn in the player nation 100% of the time, which clearly isn't the case.
HRE Minors also tend to build more universities in my experience.
None START with a university, but some can be built for free through mission trees like Saxony's Wittenburg University.
They definitely built them in my games, 1.32 included. Are you on the 1.33 beta? Maybe with the budgeting changes the AI no longer prioritizes them, and that could lead to a new issue if it isn't caught by the time the patch officially releases.
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You should build one in your capital for the age of enlightment bonus (+50dev capital) anyway.
What about building slots and states? Sometimes I want to have more buildings in the province so higher development is needed. 1 dev with training fields gives more than 5 dev without manpower buildings in territory.
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I build the majority of my universities in my highest-development provinces to spread the Enlightenment there.
This sentence is very wrong. There's little-to-no correlation between what the meta is and what the AI does.
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