Ran out of room in the title, I'm playing as tribal Norse with Elective Gavelkind. The father was an emperor and the younger son only became a Jarl, so he must have took the decision to become independent. Is that why the firstborn didn't get the claims?
When an empire splits up due to Gavelkind, why don't I always get strong claims on my brothers land?
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Well, irrc the Strong Claims go to the Second and third in line to the title. In cases where your brother has two children you are, at best, fourth in line and some eligable for a strong claim.
I believe that's how it works - though thinking about it that doesn't make a great deal of sense - it seems like all sons should get an equal claim.
I believe that's how it works - though thinking about it that doesn't make a great deal of sense - it seems like all sons should get an equal claim.
That's only if they become vassals of the first born. However if the father had two kingdom titles, two sons and the realm was split in two by the succession then both sons would have strong claims on each other.
The reunification wars are what I enjoy most about gavelkind.
The successor of the Emperor title doesn't get claims for the other Kingdoms/Jarldoms.
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Basically because it would be "to easy" as the elder brother to reclaim your lost land: Don't forget, as the eldest, you're supposedly the strongest, with the most vassals/lands/$$ left, so DOW-ing your younger brothers would be to easy
"Supposedly"
The most money, probably the saving grace out of the whole deal (i.e. smart move to save up when you're going senile). As for the most vassals, while also true, remember that most won't like the new ruler as much. As far as more land however, well that can be tricky. The eldest will inherit the capital duchy and so on, the others will inherit the rest which can lead to some really wacky situations where the brothers have a lot more power than the eldest.
One day, maybe, gavelkind will be fixed where stuff is split evenly and correctly. Maybe even with player input. Hopefully someday
But yeah, on topic, if you got claims on your siblings who are now your vassals, then you could just revoke theirs titles and hardly worry about succession problems
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As the eldest I've brought my siblings back under control quite a few times, so I don't believe that. Not getting the claims seems to be the exception not the rule.
Anyway, in this case I figured out what went wrong. I'm an idiot and didn't realize I was over my vassal limit, 2 a.m. sessions aren't the most productive I guess.
As I said before, you get a strong claim as second or third in line to inherit. If you brother has two sons you are fourth in line, and therefore you only get a weak claim. I confess to being a little fuzzy on the mathematics, but that's the principle.
In the case where there are two brothers and neither has children they will both be second in line to each other's titles, hence mutual strong claims.