What's The Status of Japan in HOI4?

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Hopefully Paradox wont follow the historical European powers in ignoring them? Plus Japan to me is the only nation where the Navy absolutely comes first.
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Hopefully Paradox wont follow the historical European powers in ignoring them? Plus Japan to me is the only nation where the Navy absolutely comes first.
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... European powers ignoring Japan?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Japanese_Alliance

Japan was also a member of World War One and had close ties with the British and French, not to mention was very involved in the fracturing of the Qing dynasty and the boxer rebellion.

Japan had just kicked Russian arse in the Russo Japanese war as well, and then continued with the allies in the wars against the early USSR (Siberian intervention). How is that "ignoring"?

Furthermore, they invaded Manchuria and were kicked out of the League of Nations for it. If anything, Japan held the world's attention in the interwar period, far from being ignored.

They were a major power and on the path to overshadowing the US as the dominant pacific naval power.
 
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Also, Japan was part of the Tripartite Pact; an alliance with Italy, Hungary, Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Slovenia and Germany.

I don't know how anyone can consider Japan to be ignored by European powers.
 
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... European powers ignoring Japan?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Japanese_Alliance

Japan was also a member of World War One and had close ties with the British and French, not to mention was very involved in the fracturing of the Qing dynasty and the boxer rebellion.

Japan had just kicked Russian arse in the Russo Japanese war as well, and then continued with the allies in the wars against the early USSR (Siberian intervention). How is that "ignoring"?

Furthermore, they invaded Manchuria and were kicked out of the League of Nations for it. If anything, Japan held the world's attention in the interwar period, far from being ignored.

They were a major power and on the path to overshadowing the US as the dominant pacific naval power.

Maybe the purpose of my inquiry was lost... I really just wanted to know what was going on w/ Japan in HOI4 as it is one of my favorite nations.

And the Europeans did not respect Japan as an equal nation, which is what I in-eloquently meant. That is what caused the Russo-Japanese war (where Japan proved them wrong) and is also expressed in the paltry Japanese inclusion of the Treaty of Versailles as well as the pre-Meiji restoration gunboat diplomacy of the US. All I'm saying is don't underestimate Nippon.
 

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Maybe the purpose of my inquiry was lost... I really just wanted to know what was going on w/ Japan in HOI4 as it is one of my favorite nations.

And the Europeans did not respect Japan as an equal nation, which is what I in-eloquently meant. That is what caused the Russo-Japanese war (where Japan proved them wrong) and is also expressed in the paltry Japanese inclusion of the Treaty of Versailles as well as the pre-Meiji restoration gunboat diplomacy of the US. All I'm saying is don't underestimate Nippon.


read the developers diary to japan
that is nearly all the informations we have about japan

and at least from the russo-japanese war on the japanese where treated as a bigger power,cause they kicked the ass of a bigger power (probably the weakest of the big players, but still)
 
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and at least from the russo-japanese war on the japanese where treated as a bigger power,cause they kicked the ass of a bigger power (probably the weakest of the big players, but still)
Arguable. That's a lot like French intervention in Mexico in 1860's. Logistics and domestic disputes forced Paris and St.Petersburg's hand in respective events.
 
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Arguable. That's a lot like French intervention in Mexico in 1860's. Logistics and domestic disputes forced Paris and St.Petersburg's hand in respective events.

Not really,
France tried to "aquire" mexico when the USA had its hands full with the civil war, the French wanted the Mexican silver and wanted to propagate Catholic Faith.
Overall, French losses were less than 10000 and the Hapsburg's lost an Archduke and some 2000+ soldiers.
French Military prestige esp. Naval remained more or less intact.

Mexico on the other hand, went from Basket Case to Basket Case.

On the other hand,
Russia lost 75% of its Fleet and some 200000+ casualties, its Naval Strength was shattered and its prestige rubbed in the mud and its military corruption and incompetence and the whole "shaky edifice" of Nicholas II was thoroughly exposed. It also laid the seeds for the later Revolutions in Russia.

Japan on the other hand, went from "strange Asian country" to the pre-eminent power in Asia for the next 40 years.
 

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Russia lost 75% of its Fleet and some 200000+ casualties, its Naval Strength was shattered and its prestige rubbed in the mud and its military corruption and incompetence and the whole "shaky edifice" of Nicholas II was thoroughly exposed. It also laid the seeds for the later Revolutions in Russia.

Japan on the other hand, went from "strange Asian country" to the pre-eminent power in Asia for the next 40 years.
Japanese losses in KIA were much higher then the Russian ones. Russia was not able to move its main forces east for political reasons (Germany and Austria-Hungary). At the time, UK was to Japan what US became to UK in 1940. Japan attacked without declaring war (inspired by Nelson's attack on Copenhagen, no less). France denied help to its ally.
Loss is a loss, that much is true.
 

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Picture for the A6M2-N isn't of an A6M2-N, and the A6M2-N couldn't carry any significant bomb load anyway.
Ki-38 was just the wooden mock-up of the Ki-45.
Ki-66 was discontinued for being trash even by the standards of '42 when the first one was made.
Kikka was a jet powered naval bomber.

disappointing/10


Tanks (in the linked thread) were a little off too, but more understandably so.



I was planning to copy across a lot of Japan's tech tree for my Manchukuo mod, but I guess I'll have to make a new one for both nations.