What's the point of Montreux Convention?

[KubiG37]

A bit late because I bought the last DLC now.

I'm a bit disappointed about the first Turkish Focus and the Bosphorus Strait itself - Playing as someone other than Turkey, I thought that before the convention happens you would be able to pass your fleets through the strait freely without directly owning the states. But you can't anyway!

What's the point of this convention then, when it is merely another "Rhineland" that doesn't even work?
Even if you pressure the Turks I expect you still won't be allowed through. It clearly says "you won't be able to move your fleets through" in the soviet event, but since you can't do it before that anyway, what's the point of this whole hassle and the soviet events?

 

[Pellaken]

I agree its worded poorly. I've played around with it as SOV, results:

As-is: can move my convoys, can not move my (war) ships
Force turkey to back down: can move my convoys, can not move my (war) ships
Let turkey do whatever it wants: can move my convoys, can not move my (war) ships
Get mad once but back down: can move my convoys, can not move my (war) ships
Turkey backs down after time 2: can move my convoys, can not move my (war) ships
War: War

Not really sure what the point is, as, I've not been able to get any result that either blocks my trade fleet (outside war) or, allows my (war) ships to move through.

Maybe I screwed something up with my testing though??

 

[MattZed]

As far as I can tell from the code, the events only affect the militarization of the land, not passage through the Bosporus and Dardanelles.

 

[ThaHoward]

It should also be the second or third focus for Turkey. First of all we won't get two identical events, second of all it happened in July and was in effect from November IIRC.

I.e the convention was full 4 months after Rhineland and was in effect 8 months after it..

Then OTL the convention stipulated that in effect only Turkey and USSR (technically black sea powers) could send capital ships through the straits, and Black Sea states submarines through the straits. The other nations could send non capital and non submarines with a certain tonnage (in game, production cost) through the straits. And the "historical" path of the event UK backs out. In reality they were the guarantee that enabled Turkey regaining control.

So currently the event/focus does not work as intended with game mechanics, and is not even historical in how it is handled.

 

[Herennius]

There is also a (potential?) issue with signing the compromis or demanding full control as Turkey having the same effect (except the latter giving you extra PP):

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...montreux-has-no-effect.1436946/#post-27024287

 

[Spelaren]

Russia never declares war over the straits oddly enough in ahistorical.

 

[KubiG37]

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And the "historical" path of the event UK backs out. In reality they were the guarantee that enabled Turkey regaining control.

So currently the event/focus does not work as intended with game mechanics, and is not even historical in how it is handled.

Well this explains why it did not make sense to me.
The situation in which everyone backs out and Turkey still stubbornly refuses, despite starting with no airforce, no industry, and minimal army compared to me as USSR.

I declared war, and even with Romania backing them I steamrolled through. But if they were backed by UK, I wouldn't want to start a WW2 in 1936, before Purges, industry buildup, Japan threatening the east... IRL it would make sense as well, Britain is still a serious force in 1936.