What's the best nation for WC in 1.4?

[TheBloke]

To do that though, you would have to have a CB on said electors or their Allies, or take bad Stab & W.E. hits.

When it's the difference between becoming HRE and not, it's worth 2 stab & WE.

Yup. Plus, it's pretty easy to get a CB. If you don't border them and thus can't Fabricate, just loan them some money. Take a look in the Ledger to see their monthly income and current balance, and loan them 5-10x their income. If their income is 20 gold, loan them 150 or 200 or so. 12 months, 8% interest.

Most of the time they'll renege, and you get a CB at a modest gold cost. If they do pay it back, just loan them again until they don't.

You can often also trick them into giving you a Trade Dispute CB. Embargo them, and they'll normally Embargo you straight back. A little while later, cancel your embargo. They're often slow in cancelling theirs, giving you a window of a week or two during which you have the Trade Dispute CB to use against them.

 

[unmerged(558564)]

you guys sure know this game inside and out!
but what is the effect of moving your capitol to urbino before joining HRE?

 

[golgepapaz]

you guys sure know this game inside and out!
but what is the effect of moving your capitol to urbino before joining HRE?

You need to border HRE to add provinces to the HRE I think.

 

[unmerged(558564)]

You need to border HRE to add provinces to the HRE I think.

but i am able to add it to the empire without moving my capitol.
perhaps, if i do not add my capitol to the HRE, only the province is added, but my country is not counted as a prince?

 

[TheBloke]

but i am able to add it to the empire without moving my capitol.
perhaps, if i do not add my capitol to the HRE, only the province is added, but my country is not counted as a prince?

Exactly.

 

[Atris]

can you join the HRE as an Islamic country? cause I am considering this urbino strategy to save myself with granada

 

[TheBloke]

can you join the HRE as an Islamic country? cause I am considering this urbino strategy to save myself with granada

You definitely can't become emperor. Emperor must be Christian which is why people talk about converting Ottomans to Orthodox. I'm not sure if it blocks you from just being a member, maybe not. But as you'll never take the Crown you need to decide if e bonuses, which will go over time as emperor passes reforms, are worth it.

 

[Novacat]

You definitely can't become emperor. Emperor must be Christian which is why people talk about converting Ottomans to Orthodox. I'm not sure if it blocks you from just being a member, maybe not. But as you'll never take the Crown you need to decide if e bonuses, which will go over time as emperor passes reforms, are worth it.

IIRC, you can become Emperor, the problem comes in that you cant add provinces to the HRE because they have to be Christian.

 

[TheBloke]

IIRC, you can become Emperor, the problem comes in that you cant add provinces to the HRE because they have to be Christian.

OK yeah you're right about the provinces - a non-Christian nation can't added provinces to HRE. (The tooltip is a bit messed up, it says e.g. "Granada is not a Christian province.." when it means "nation")

But you can't become emperor, either. As a non-Christian nation, all your Elector vote scores will have a -1000 penalty with "Not eligible to be Emperor."

So yeah, a non-Christian can't have any involvement in HRE at all.

 

[zodium]

OK yeah you're right about the provinces - a non-Christian nation can't added provinces to HRE. (The tooltip is a bit messed up, it says e.g. "Granada is not a Christian province.." when it means "nation")

But you can't become emperor, either. As a non-Christian nation, all your Elector vote scores will have a -1000 penalty with "Not eligible to be Emperor."

So yeah, a non-Christian can't have any involvement in HRE at all.

Just theorycrafting here, but you could start as an elector, flip to Sunni, annex every elector/other member of the HRE, then vote for yourself?

 

[Rider_of_Doom]

Just theorycrafting here, but you could start as an elector, flip to Sunni, annex every elector/other member of the HRE, then vote for yourself?

Or attack a few electors and force their religion to Sunni... Theoretical, they would be able to vote for a Sunni country.

 

[Hakairyu]

Just theorycrafting here, but you could start as an elector, flip to Sunni, annex every elector/other member of the HRE, then vote for yourself?

Someone should test that, but I'm not quite sure if you can even vote for someone who is "not eligible" in the first place as an elector even if that person is you.

 

[TheBloke]

Just theorycrafting here, but you could start as an elector, flip to Sunni, annex every elector/other member of the HRE, then vote for yourself?

Here, Brandenburg is my vassal. Like the other Electors, they give me exactly -1000 for "Not Eligible" - it doesn't even count up any other possible plusses and minuses when you're not eligible.

My guess is that the same will apply even voting for yourself, it just won't even consider a vote when you're not Eligible.

There's a slight chance of it being a hole, but I'd be very surprised.

Plus, wouldn't the Emperor just keep adding new Electors after you annexed the others?

I am trying to test it, though I'm Bohemia, who are voting for themselves, and I'm trying to flip to Sunni.

 

[zodium]

Sadly not - a vassalised Elector is not a guaranteed vote, just a much better chance of a vote.

Your vassalised electors will still vote for someone else, so even if you can vote for yourself (and that's quite possibly blocked too, for the same Not Eligible reason), that'll only be one vote:

Brandenburg is my vassal. Like the other Electors, they give me exactly -1000 for "Not Eligible" - so it doesn't even count up any other possible plusses and minuses when you're not eligible.

I said annex. At any rate, I made a decision that would convert me to Sunni as Bohemia, set my vote for Brandenburg, "integrate X" for every other elector, then killed the Austrian ruler. Sunni Emperor.

It'd be pretty convoluted in practice, but not impossible.

That's also a regency council Emperor, come to think of it.

 

[TheBloke]

I said annex. At any rate, I made a decision that would convert me to Sunni as Bohemia, set my vote for Brandenburg, "integrate X" for every other elector, then killed the Austrian ruler. Sunni Emperor.


It'd be pretty convoluted in practice, but not impossible.

Yeah, I edited moments later.

Ah cool, could be fun to try!

 

[zodium]

Plus, wouldn't the Emperor just keep adding new Electors after you annexed the others?

Off the top of my head, you could vassalize all the electors while still Christian so you can annex them all simultaneously while you are still the Christian Emperor, then flip to Sunni while voting for yourself.

 

[TheBloke]

Off the top of my head, you could vassalize all the electors while still Christian so you can annex them all simultaneously while you are still the Christian Emperor, then flip to Sunni while voting for yourself.

Sounds good

Could you give a brief mini-guide to the quickest/best way to flip religion on demand? I've yet to do it as a proper strategy.

One needs to annex provinces of another religion, and then release/sell enough of your own provinces such as to get Religious Unity below 50%? Then the Nationalist rebels will be replaced by Religious rebels? Then send a Missionary to get them riled up, let them take a province and agree to their demands?

 

[Schmoekoeksklok]

Sounds good

Could you give a brief mini-guide to the quickest/best way to flip religion on demand? I've yet to do it as a proper strategy.

One needs to annex provinces of another religion, and then release/sell enough of your own provinces such as to get Religious Unity below 50%? Then the Nationalist rebels will be replaced by Religious rebels? Then send a Missionary to get them riled up, let them take a province and agree to their demands?

The missionary is enough to change the rebel type in that province to religious. That's why you want an uncored province to get as much revolt risk there as possible. You should probably be able to change the type of rebels in other provinces by increasing the revolt risk caused by religious things, but at 20% religious unity I still had religious rebels in Constantinople only.

I'd say just wait until the rebels spawn, you have plenty time to sell provinces while they're sieging.

 

[TheBloke]

The missionary is enough to change the rebel type in that province to religious. That's why you want an uncored province to get as much revolt risk there as possible. You should probably be able to change the type of rebels in other provinces by increasing the revolt risk caused by religious things, but at 20% religious unity I still had religious rebels in Constantinople only.

I'd say just wait until the rebels spawn, you have plenty time to sell provinces while they're sieging.

Oh, well it wasn't for me when I just did a really brief test. I started as Bohemia, I console-annexed Granada, and left it uncored. That gave me 56% OE. Then I sent a missionary to one of the provinces, which gave me something like 25 RR in that province - but it was still Nationalist rebels, and a year or so later it was Nationalist who rose up in that province. I was able to get down to 71% Religious Unity in that test, but no lower - I couldn't easily sell or Release any more provinces.

Is it just a case of being patient? Do I need to wait for Nationalist to no longer be a major factor, such that Religious gets a chance? Or does it require a certain level of Religious Unity, like 50%? Or Religious Unity increases the chance the lower it goes, so at some point the combination of Unity + Missionary will make Religious overtake Nationalist?

 

[unmerged(558564)]

i cant seem to get the "Ghazi" to kick in, after having converted to Orthodoxy.
this is true, even when at war with either Catholic og Islamic countries, both times with 0 manpower and understaffed regiments.
what am i doing wrong? does it have to be a religous CB? in that case, the Ghazi doesnt seem that powerful at all.
or have i merely lost the effect by switching religion?