Will it be the same world map as EU1, or will it be a different-looking, improved world map? If so, what will it look like? Has this question been asked before? 
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From what I've heard (and seen) the map will look mostly the same, with a few provinces added/split, as well some of the Permanent Terra Incognita will be removed (mostly in Central Asia and North America)
You didn't think they'd do a completely new map did you? Not when we all appear to be willing to live with it despite it's manifest innacuracies (Navarre and Aragon provinces being a good example!)
Why can't they just remove the ugly looking terra incognita alltogether and replace it either with huge provinces which are uncolonizable and which won't support many troops like in siberia and central asia. Or they could at least add some nice graphics for example mountains in the terra incognita representing the himalayas so it will seem like the real world. I really hate that impenetrable "corridor". Some mountains to the south and wasteland to the north would improve the feeling of the map.
I'm totally against PTI myself-but we've already been told there'll still be some-much of it in areas we'll probably feel are incorrect.
I'm resigned to it.
I'm resigned to it.
I to would really like to see some kind of graphics replace the PTI. Whenever I see I think someone spilt whiteout all over the map.
It's a shame they can't just fill in the PTI with a nice image of what the underlying territory, maybe shaded grey or even greyscaled, would look like but then make the territory unexplorable/unusable.
Of course, new users might wonder what the heck was up and return the product...
Of course, new users might wonder what the heck was up and return the product...
No, it should have the kind of thing real old maps used to have in unexplored areas ... "here be dragons" and suchlike !
I think that more of Africa and Siberia should be visible.Even the ancient Greeks knew about siberia and places like the Arabian desert.
Great Idea AT !
"give us Dragons or give us death" ! .... well ..maybe not death exactly ! ;(
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..ahh what the ..
Hail Paradox !
"give us Dragons or give us death" ! .... well ..maybe not death exactly ! ;(
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..ahh what the ..
Hail Paradox !
Pity you can explore all the seas then, really-a few nice images of sea serpents would pep up the bland areas of the Pacific fairly nicely!
That's a pretty good idea, actually, AndrewT-lets hope Paradox notes it.
YEAH!
That is a good idea I really like the idea of seeing "Here be cannibals or something in African areas (Just kidding) it would be funny to see "Here be Buffalo" in the plains of Canada
That is a good idea I really like the idea of seeing "Here be cannibals or something in African areas (Just kidding) it would be funny to see "Here be Buffalo" in the plains of Canada
Which ancient Greeks knew about Siberia? The Greeks knew nothing about the area north of the steppe, and even thought the Caspian and Aral Seas were one body of water.
He's right you know
Demetrios is right about everything he just said. The Greeks knew only about the Northern part of Arabia near Judea, the colonies on the Black Sea were just that, colonies, nothing more so they Greeks rarely traveled far away from the coast into modern Ukraine.
Though maybe he is referring to the Byzantines (sometimes referred to as Greeks) because they did after all travel to Russia and christianize the region.
Demetrios is right about everything he just said. The Greeks knew only about the Northern part of Arabia near Judea, the colonies on the Black Sea were just that, colonies, nothing more so they Greeks rarely traveled far away from the coast into modern Ukraine.
Though maybe he is referring to the Byzantines (sometimes referred to as Greeks) because they did after all travel to Russia and christianize the region.
Concerning design of window (not only map), EU2 should be inspired by Imperialism 2 who was very good (except the map as seen on diplomatical window)..
Hmmm
I dont care for the PTI myself. I beilve the new provinces will be here.
-N. American Great plains area, a little bit more of canada. Dont count on the rockies mountains chain to be explorable. No one was there unitl the 1840s-1850s.
-S. American a little more cut away from the Amazon
-Europe maybe we will get into European Russia a little bit more
-Australia, We should get into the island a little bit more
-Asia(South). Himalayas should be partially explored
-Asia(North). More Siberian Provinces, Should be around Lake Baykal
-Africa, we should get into the land a little bit more, but still we shouldnt get to the center, wasnt explored til much later
I dont care for the PTI myself. I beilve the new provinces will be here.
-N. American Great plains area, a little bit more of canada. Dont count on the rockies mountains chain to be explorable. No one was there unitl the 1840s-1850s.
-S. American a little more cut away from the Amazon
-Europe maybe we will get into European Russia a little bit more
-Australia, We should get into the island a little bit more
-Asia(South). Himalayas should be partially explored
-Asia(North). More Siberian Provinces, Should be around Lake Baykal
-Africa, we should get into the land a little bit more, but still we shouldnt get to the center, wasnt explored til much later
Where the PTI should be reduced:
Get rid of that big nasty horrible hole in Central Asia! The area was both well known and well explored from both East and West. The only place the PTI should remain there are in the inaccessable mountains of the Hindu Kush, Himalaya, and Tien Shan ranges. These should have a few passes through them, however, to simulate the Khyber Pass, the Ferghana - Kashgar route of the Silk Road, and so on.
It's fine if most of northern Siberia remains PTI. Even if it was explored, it really wasn't of much use for anyone. The "Siberian Corridor", which will hopefully no longer be a corridor but merely mark the southern edge of the PTI, needs to have its western end moved much further north, however, as the Khanate of Sibir was due east of Moscow and Perm, not down around the southern edge of the Ural Mountains. All of European Russia should be uncovered, as well.
Most of the North American PTI should disappear as well, as the Plains region was fully explored by 1820 (and long before). Parts of the Roickies should remain inaccessable, with a few passes here and there - near the headwaters of the Columbia in British Columbia/Alberta and the Missouri in Montana/Idaho for example where explorers had breached the mountain range. Mackenzie had explored much of northwestern Canada near the end of this time period, although I don't know whether this makes such remote areas worthy of emerging from the PTI.
The South American PTI is pretty reasonable, although a little more interior exploration in southern Brazil might make sense. The rest represents impenetrable mountains and jungles anyway, and weren't explored until well outside the EU2 time period (and some areas remain unexplored to this day). The same goes for the Australian PTI; maybe add the rest of the seacoast provinces, but the Outback wasn't explored until well after 1820.
The African PTI will need some adjustment. I assume that the Nile valley down to the Sudd swamps will emerge from the PTI (even the ancients had knowledge of the Nile as far as the Sudd) so that Nubia and Ethiopia will be able to take their correct possitions. The Zambezi valley up to Zimbabwe should be added as well, as should the uper Niger river valley in Mali. The main connection between Mali and the rest of the world at this time was through the Sahara, not through the inhospitable terrain to the south, so the PTI should have at least one corridor (Mali - Morocco, historically the most important route) through the Sahara, if not two. A PTI corridor to the coast of Senegal and/or Nigeria and/or Ghana wouldn't be all wrong either, but the Sahara connection was the most important in the EU2 time period. Beyond this, the rest of Africa should remain PTI, as any outside explorers almost immediately dropped dead from one or another tropical disease as soon as they set out.
Get rid of that big nasty horrible hole in Central Asia! The area was both well known and well explored from both East and West. The only place the PTI should remain there are in the inaccessable mountains of the Hindu Kush, Himalaya, and Tien Shan ranges. These should have a few passes through them, however, to simulate the Khyber Pass, the Ferghana - Kashgar route of the Silk Road, and so on.
It's fine if most of northern Siberia remains PTI. Even if it was explored, it really wasn't of much use for anyone. The "Siberian Corridor", which will hopefully no longer be a corridor but merely mark the southern edge of the PTI, needs to have its western end moved much further north, however, as the Khanate of Sibir was due east of Moscow and Perm, not down around the southern edge of the Ural Mountains. All of European Russia should be uncovered, as well.
Most of the North American PTI should disappear as well, as the Plains region was fully explored by 1820 (and long before). Parts of the Roickies should remain inaccessable, with a few passes here and there - near the headwaters of the Columbia in British Columbia/Alberta and the Missouri in Montana/Idaho for example where explorers had breached the mountain range. Mackenzie had explored much of northwestern Canada near the end of this time period, although I don't know whether this makes such remote areas worthy of emerging from the PTI.
The South American PTI is pretty reasonable, although a little more interior exploration in southern Brazil might make sense. The rest represents impenetrable mountains and jungles anyway, and weren't explored until well outside the EU2 time period (and some areas remain unexplored to this day). The same goes for the Australian PTI; maybe add the rest of the seacoast provinces, but the Outback wasn't explored until well after 1820.
The African PTI will need some adjustment. I assume that the Nile valley down to the Sudd swamps will emerge from the PTI (even the ancients had knowledge of the Nile as far as the Sudd) so that Nubia and Ethiopia will be able to take their correct possitions. The Zambezi valley up to Zimbabwe should be added as well, as should the uper Niger river valley in Mali. The main connection between Mali and the rest of the world at this time was through the Sahara, not through the inhospitable terrain to the south, so the PTI should have at least one corridor (Mali - Morocco, historically the most important route) through the Sahara, if not two. A PTI corridor to the coast of Senegal and/or Nigeria and/or Ghana wouldn't be all wrong either, but the Sahara connection was the most important in the EU2 time period. Beyond this, the rest of Africa should remain PTI, as any outside explorers almost immediately dropped dead from one or another tropical disease as soon as they set out.
Was any other part of China explored by this time? It's a bit annoying to play as china and have most of your country "unexplored."