As a new time player, I thought it was good, however it did look a bit odd and some long time players I know did not enjoy it.
New or old, what are your opinions?
New or old, what are your opinions?
What was your opinion on the subscription service?
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it's a great way to access the whole game and all DLC's at a low, low price.
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In the long run, the subscription costs more than buying the DLCs outright. Thus, it's another instance of how being poor can be more expensive than being rich. You could make an argument that it's immoral or exploitative on that basis, but I don't feel strongly enough about the issue to do so myself.
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you could also argue that it increases accessibility to the game for those on lower incomes, but i'm glad you don't feel strongly enough about the issue to argue.
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Annoyed, because it was introduced right after the Leviathan Incident started, when everyone was demanding answers and an apology. It felt like pouring salt in an open wound, then rubbing the salt-infused sore directly in my eyes just to spite me.
I get what they were trying to do with it, but when the game has so many DLCs after a decade that it costs more than the rest of the current generation of their strategy games combined, a subscription service isn't exactly a promising sign.
I get what they were trying to do with it, but when the game has so many DLCs after a decade that it costs more than the rest of the current generation of their strategy games combined, a subscription service isn't exactly a promising sign.
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Also correct. It’s a double edged sword. Not that different from other rent vs buy decisions, most of which similarly make it more expensive to be poor. Personally I’m fine with it. Paradox didn’t invent structural issues of capitalism.
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enitrely on topic, i'm happy to give microsoft $120/year and EUIV is a bit more fun than excel.
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After the Leviathan Incident, a lot of us were hoping they'd cut their losses and decide that yes, EU4's time had passed. The launch of the subscription service was a sign they had no intention of doing so.
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they've said they'll continue rolling out mission trees and won't change the map any more. this isn't a secret.
and the sub service is BECAUSE the game is at EOL.
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Can't say I feel any particular way about it.
As a long time player who owned all the DLCs up to the point the subscription launched (and bought the newer ones since), I don't think the subscription was aimed at people like us; more so it was for players who might pick EU4 up on a free weekend on Steam or buy the base game on sale, then after enjoying it, pay for a sub for the DLCs rather than dropping another £150 (assuming all ~50% off) where a sub for these players will be cheaper unless EU5 doesn't release until atleast late 2025.
From a pure value standpoint the EU4 sub is definitely more worth it than the HOI4 sub. Others may disagree but I don't feel as the though the HOI4 DLC really impacts gameplay in any meaningful way.
As a long time player who owned all the DLCs up to the point the subscription launched (and bought the newer ones since), I don't think the subscription was aimed at people like us; more so it was for players who might pick EU4 up on a free weekend on Steam or buy the base game on sale, then after enjoying it, pay for a sub for the DLCs rather than dropping another £150 (assuming all ~50% off) where a sub for these players will be cheaper unless EU5 doesn't release until atleast late 2025.
From a pure value standpoint the EU4 sub is definitely more worth it than the HOI4 sub. Others may disagree but I don't feel as the though the HOI4 DLC really impacts gameplay in any meaningful way.
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More options that do not limit the original formula are always welcome in my book.
I think it is a lot cheaper to buy the game and all expansions when they are on discount, which happen quite often but most people are not patient enough for that and this subscription based formula is perfect for the " I WANT IT ALL AND I WANT IT NOW " crowd.
I think it is a lot cheaper to buy the game and all expansions when they are on discount, which happen quite often but most people are not patient enough for that and this subscription based formula is perfect for the " I WANT IT ALL AND I WANT IT NOW " crowd.
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I first was affraid of it. A change in monatisation in the gaming industry these days is scary.
I'm happy new player can enjoy the full game and try it out fully. I wouldnt play the base game alone.
I'm happy that they kept the old ways and im not forced into subscription, but im still scared for eu5.
In the long run its more expensive but good to try and waiting for a good price.
I think having the first 20ish dlc included in the base would have acheived all this and been a better deal for new player. For old ones ? With 4k hours i think my dlcs are payed back that i wouldnt mind others having it free.
I'm happy new player can enjoy the full game and try it out fully. I wouldnt play the base game alone.
I'm happy that they kept the old ways and im not forced into subscription, but im still scared for eu5.
In the long run its more expensive but good to try and waiting for a good price.
I think having the first 20ish dlc included in the base would have acheived all this and been a better deal for new player. For old ones ? With 4k hours i think my dlcs are payed back that i wouldnt mind others having it free.
I returned to the game last year after a several year hiatus, and by then they'd introduced the subscription service that was available from within the game (not the current Steam version). I enrolled in the sub for 2 months iirc, with me prior to that having owned all DLCs up until Mandate of Heaven. Then Paradox tweeted about Humble Bundle offering a special Holiday deal, so I took that opportunity to purchase the remaining DLCs (excluding the immersion packs), including Leviathan, for a decent price. Up until that point the sub therefore offered me an opportunity to experience the game again in its full glory, without me having to commit to spend even more money on DLCs before knowing whether I'd be picking the game up again for real. Effectively saving me some cash. Neat offer for my situation, honestly.
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Not if the game is not for you. You can try it with all ' bells and whistles ' and see if it's actually the game you hope it is for a relatively cheap price. Rather than spending hundreds of money and finding out that way.
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"In the long run" kind of assumes the player being interested enough in the game to keep on playing for a long time. Hence why they said "rent is always worse than buying"
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I don't use it since I bought so many DLCs before it was introduced that it seems like a very poor option for me personally.
For new players, it seems pretty reasonable - it costs roughly half the price of eating out for lunch one day (YMMV depending on city) so it's pretty affordable in the long run if you can cut down on that. Buying everything at once is much riskier and kind of a long-term 'investment'.
For new players, it seems pretty reasonable - it costs roughly half the price of eating out for lunch one day (YMMV depending on city) so it's pretty affordable in the long run if you can cut down on that. Buying everything at once is much riskier and kind of a long-term 'investment'.
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As long as they will continuously make the DLC available to buy and not force e everyone on the subscription I see no downside.
Getting into a 200€ game (roughly haven't looked at total price in a while) without discount is hard for new players or even returning ones. Testing it for around 5€ for one month seems fair. You can either wait for sale or decide its not worth it and move on.
Sure a dealbreaker for me would to force it on everyone (though objectively this would probably be cheaper for me, but I like to own the DLC).
Getting into a 200€ game (roughly haven't looked at total price in a while) without discount is hard for new players or even returning ones. Testing it for around 5€ for one month seems fair. You can either wait for sale or decide its not worth it and move on.
Sure a dealbreaker for me would to force it on everyone (though objectively this would probably be cheaper for me, but I like to own the DLC).
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