What was the anarchism in Spain like and how did it function?

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I don't know much about the Spanish Civil War and I'm especially intrigued by the anarchists.

Judging by Hearts of Iron 4's focus tree, I assume Spain was originally a democracy, but it became more and more radicalized, and then fascists & monarchists made common front against democrats & communists & anarchists. Eventually, the anarchists split from the democrats & communists.

I wonder, how was the anarchist state in Spain like? was there a government? how did they elect the government? Who ruled over the anarchist army? Who appointed the generals and who called the shots in the state?

I assume it wasn't exactly a completly anarchist state, just as little government as possible, but there must have been some form. Otherwise solders would simply desert and there's nothing you can do about it, the state has no rules, in fact there is no state.

And if the anarchists won the civil war, what were their plans for the Spanish society? Socially, they sound a lot like communists with no borders. But economically they are in the far-right, with no centralization at all. Was it a socially far-left economically far-right movement or was arachism something else?

Can you make a short summary of the Spanish Civil War and explain the way the anarchist society worked and what were their goals?

I tried to look for information, but I don't even know where to start and have no previous knowledge on the subject to tell whether the information I find is good. If you also have any where I can read more of this links I'd appreciate.
 

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It is more complicated than you think, but I will explain something off the bat.

As far as anarcho-communism is concerned, there are two main variants, as I see it. There are those that basically fight for the same thing as ordinary communists/Marxists, except that instead of desiring a centrally planned economy with an organized state they prefer everything to be decentralized, with no form of mercantilism or exchange. Then t here is also mutualism, which is basically market socialism/a form of capitalism but without the state where everyone is a small proprietor/small scale capitalist. As for what the Spanish anarchists were, they were very incoherent. Both strains were represented.

Also, there was no anarchist state in Spain. The Spanish anarchists mostly belonged to one organization, the CNT. The CNT was actually part of the Popular Front government along with the Socialist Party of Spain(the dominant member of the coalition), the Communist Party of Spain, the Republican Left, and the Catalonian spinoff of the Republican Left, PSUC. There were actually CNT ministers in the government. Obviously this was extremely hypocritical. Anarchists say that they want a stateless society, immediately, but the Spanish anarchists actually became an official part of the Popular Front government. A case of utopian principals clashing with reality.

When the Civil War broke out, Anarchists seized a lot of factories, especially in Catalonia, and drove a lot of landlords off their farms and collectivized them. They didn't touch foreign owned factories as they were afraid of pissing off Britain, the United States, and other foreign powers. These collectivized factories were operated to anarchist utopian principals of prioritizing quality of life of workers over efficient. In wartime conditions, this is disastrous. Production figures fell off a cliff(over 70% below pre-war levels IIRC), while in Francoist Spain arms factories' production mostly recovered to pre-war levels within about a year of the war beginning. I have to say, it was a pleasant surprise to see this represented in the game. The anarchists have a unique economy law that, while providing some bonuses, also reduces output and efficiency cap.

One thing to understand is that when the Civil War broke out, the Nationalists were mostly stopped by workers militias. The old government had mostly lost all credibility and effective power. Spain's most powerful political party, PSOE, was quasi-revolutionary and split into a liberal right wing led by Indalecio Prieto and a quasi-revolutionary wing led by Francisco Largo Caballero, who had led Spain's abortive 1934 workers revolution in Asturias. PSOE and the stalinist PCE both decided that rather than push for a Russian style revolution, that they would work to bolster the old capitalist liberal government of Spain. The PCE especially took charge of attacking the radical experiments of the anarchists and shutting down the collectivized farms and restoring property back to its old owners.

The situation was also even more complicated yet. In the chaos after the outbreak of the civil war and the near collapse of the Republican government, the anarchists emptied out most of the prisons and enlisted a lot of hardened criminals in their fighting battalions. In particular was an anarchist column called the Iron Column. It was a led by a former criminal lord arrested on charges of rape, extortion, and many such things. Anarchist squads attacked and assassinated PSOE and PCE trade union leaders, entirely unprovoked. This initiated a retaliatory cycle of violence where there was essentially a miniature civil war within the civil war going on within the Republican ranks.

It was also the case that a lot of the communications infrastructure of the Republic was held by anarchist collectivized enterprises. The Prime Minister could not even speak on the telephone without anarchists eavesdropping, and sometimes even chipping in and dropping in on the conversation. They controlled phone operations and so on. This was actually one of the big catalysts for the crackdown against the Anarchists in May 1937.

The game woefully misrepresents this. The anarchists did not rebel against the government, rather the PCE instigated a crackdown against them and violently put an end to their independent operations. The anarchists as such were not destroyed, just their influence. CNT ministers continued to serve in the government up to the very end of the war. The PCE, however, became more and more fanatical in its desire to control all political opinion within the Republic to the point of assassinating anyone even mildly critical of them, going so far as to kill other Republicans even on the field of battle!

One thing that kinda disappointed me is that we never got to see Segismundo Casado's coup in the game. It could have worked pretty well as something similar to the Fatherland Front coup we saw introduced for Bulgaria in BFTB.

The PCE's fanaticism in eliminating potential sources of internal dissent had a disastrous impact on the war effort. The PCE never was the ruling party of the Republic, rather they exercised power by proxy. The PM of the Republic after May 1937 was Juan Negrin, a member of the PSOE, was essentially a communist puppet. He even gave speeches that were literally written by Palmiro Togliatti, leader of the Italian COmmunist Party. Burnett Bulloten in his book on the Spanish Civil War provides some good evidence and a persuasive argument that Negrin's secretaries were communist spies as well.

As the war neared its end, the leaders of the PCE made many brave declarations that they would fight to the last man, and then promptly got a plane and fled to the Soviet Union. In Madrid, a Republican officer, Segismundo Casado, along with the remnants of the anarchists and other anti-stalinist officers and politicians launched a coup deposing Negrin's government to surrender to Franco. The terms of the surrender was basically unconditional surrender, with the proviso that Casado and his men and supporters in Madrid would be allowed to leave the country without interference by t he Nationalists. Surprisingly, Franco honored this promise.

Just a very brief and concise summary of some events of interest in the war. I wouldn't recommend reading online about it, tbh. The best thing you can do is pick up a book(or ideally, several of them!). The two pre-eminent historians of the Spanish Civil War in the English language are Stanley G. Payne and Paul Preston. Payne has a strong pro-franco bias and engages in borderline fascist apologetics at times, yet the depth and breadth of his mastery of the facts and his knowledge of Spanish history is unquestionable(even if his methodology and conclusions can be). Paul Preston, on the other hand, is basically the opposite. He's extremely pro-Republican and basically entire uncritical of the disastrous role played in the war by the Stalinist PCE; none the less, he's much closer to the mark in my opinion than Payne is. However, I think for the best and most comprehensive view of the history of the Spanish Civil War, you should absolutely read both.

Brief list of books I would HIGHLY recommend if you're interested in the subject:

The Spanish Civil War: Revolution and Counterrevolution by Burnett Bulloten
The Spanish Civil War: Reaction, Revolution, and Revenge by Paul Preston
The Spanish Holocaust: Inquisition and Extermination in Twentieth-Century Spain by Paul Preston.
The Spanish Civil War by Stanley Payne
The Franco Regime, 1936–1975 by Stanley Payne

I'd probably read them in that order, too. There are many more books beyond that, but I think that those will give you a pretty comprehensive view and introduction to the major subjects of interest. The anarchist question is dealt with in a lot of detail there as well. IIRC one of Payne's books goes into quite a lot of detail on it including economic figures and production numbers.
 
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anarchism is not without government. it's without state. an anarchist state would be contradictory.

It's only contradictory if you take their ideologically charged statements at face value.

If, on the other hand, one interprets the actually existing history of anarchism vis-a-vis Spain and Ukraine, one could quite easily conclude that they did have states and just pretended that they weren't states. If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and acts like a duck; then it may as well be a duck as far as I'm concerned.

In any case, the evidence is basically clear cut and inarguable: there were CNT ministers in the Republican government. I don't think anyone would pretend that Republican Spain wasn't a state.
 
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It's only contradictory if you take their ideologically charged statements at face value.

If, on the other hand, one interprets the actually existing history of anarchism vis-a-vis Spain and Ukraine, one could quite easily conclude that they did have states and just pretended that they weren't states. If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and acts like a duck; then it may as well be a duck as far as I'm concerned.

In any case, the evidence is basically clear cut and inarguable: there were CNT ministers in the Republican government. I don't think anyone would pretend that Republican Spain wasn't a state.

State and government are not synonyms
 
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I don't understand anarchism, how do they defend themselves against city states? Communes will just be bullied around by neighboring bigger states, decentralized militias from a few towns wont defend you against an invasion against an opportunistic bastard.
 
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Anarchism is when you choose to get into civil war with nationalists, and get volunteer divisions from USSR, which just stand in the port and do nothing. But when you split into communists and anarchists, soviet divisions suddenly take communist side and begin to kick ur ass, because they are way better, than ur civil war divisions. :cool:

Also, Paradox. if you make female generals, add a female voiceover for em at least.
 
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As far as the anarchist military is concerned, George Orwell gave an interesting account of his time in the POUM militias in his book 'Hommage to Catalonia'. He was an officer at the front and talks quite a bit about the Republican-anarchist infighting. It's not an in-depth analysis, much less a history book - it was written before the war was even over. But it's an easy read and a first-hand account by a smart writer.
 
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State and government are not synonyms

State:
5a: a politically organized body of people usually occupying a definite territoryespecially : one that is sovereign
b: the political organization of such a body of people
c: a government or politically organized society having a particular charactera police statethe welfare state

A state in laymen's term refers to the codified body that a government forms. A societal structure meant to defend the territory. Playing semantic games to try to say "it's still anarchy!" really is just silly. It also doesn't address the important discussion surrounding anarchism (the idea that all hierarchy is oppression and therefore unjustified) and why no anarchist *SOCIETIES* not governments (which is inherently a hierarchy) exist. The question ultimately boils down to, why would people choose to form and therefore submit to a government in the first place? No matter how good and pure a government still expresses a degree of tyranny.

The answer of course is the fact that for a percentage of the population it is always easier to take your stuff from you rather than work themselves. When preyed upon by a gang one man cannot hope to defend himself or his land. He cannot conceivably keep his guard up 24/7 and catch everything. So he forms an alliance with his neighbors, they pool their resources for the common defense. They form some sort of political body that determines how these resources are allocated that they all agree to obey because without that proviso they wouldn't actually be pooling resources. They would be acting as if but when it came time to use them they'd all be doing separate things. So the political body already becomes supreme. Then they realize that if any of the members of this cooperative leave the remainder have fewer resources for the common defense. All those left are in greater danger. So suddenly the political body in the interest of the common defense denies people the right to leave with their property, land. In essence people wake up one day and realize that they don't own the land under their feet anymore, the governing body does and they merely are leasing it back. If they don't provide rents to go towards the common defense that governing body will revoke the lease and find someone who will. The government is born. This at it's core is what all governments are.

You can't even have police as anarchist. You can't have *EVERYONE* sit down and agree to every rule, so someone is imposing them. You can't have *EVERYONE* sit on every jury so some people stand in judgement over others. Mob policing doesn't work, you need trusted individuals who understand the rules to enforce them. So some men stand over others. And those men need to be "paid" aka provided with resources not only to do their work but to survive and care for their families, which is paid for by either demanding rents on property people own, or in the case of states like a socialist state enslaving the population and forcing them to work the property that the the state owns.

Anarchism denies people the very fundamental requirement of security, and they can't live like that.


I don't understand anarchism, how do they defend themselves against city states? Communes will just be bullied around by neighboring bigger states, decentralized militias from a few towns wont defend you against an invasion against an opportunistic bastard.


They don't. If you don't organize into a state and try to bully people into being productive either with taxes or in the case of socialist societies, enslaving the population you get conquered. Most theories I've read about how Anarchism is supposed to work essentially argue for the conquest of the world first. It's like you can't disarm until everyone else disarms. So you conquer the world and force everyone to disarm all at once. Then you can live without a state they theories. But of course that doesn't take into account that mobs don't provide security and people cannot survive without security which means you will need police which means you will form a state....

But hey, that didn't stop people like Mao saying "yes, I'm for the dissolving of state power! But first we need to conquer the "imperialist" powers so they aren't a threat! Then I can start eliminating "classes" and bring about anarchy. (a good excerpt of this is in his little red book.)

It is more complicated than you think, but I will explain something off the bat.

As far as anarcho-communism is concerned, there are two main variants, as I see it. There are those that basically fight for the same thing as ordinary communists/Marxists, except that instead of desiring a centrally planned economy with an organized state they prefer everything to be decentralized, with no form of mercantilism or exchange. Then t here is also mutualism, which is basically market socialism/a form of capitalism but without the state where everyone is a small proprietor/small scale capitalist. As for what the Spanish anarchists were, they were very incoherent. Both strains were represented.

Also, there was no anarchist state in Spain. The Spanish anarchists mostly belonged to one organization, the CNT. The CNT was actually part of the Popular Front government along with the Socialist Party of Spain(the dominant member of the coalition), the Communist Party of Spain, the Republican Left, and the Catalonian spinoff of the Republican Left, PSUC. There were actually CNT ministers in the government. Obviously this was extremely hypocritical. Anarchists say that they want a stateless society, immediately, but the Spanish anarchists actually became an official part of the Popular Front government. A case of utopian principals clashing with reality.

When the Civil War broke out, Anarchists seized a lot of factories, especially in Catalonia, and drove a lot of landlords off their farms and collectivized them. They didn't touch foreign owned factories as they were afraid of pissing off Britain, the United States, and other foreign powers. These collectivized factories were operated to anarchist utopian principals of prioritizing quality of life of workers over efficient. In wartime conditions, this is disastrous. Production figures fell off a cliff(over 70% below pre-war levels IIRC), while in Francoist Spain arms factories' production mostly recovered to pre-war levels within about a year of the war beginning. I have to say, it was a pleasant surprise to see this represented in the game. The anarchists have a unique economy law that, while providing some bonuses, also reduces output and efficiency cap.

One thing to understand is that when the Civil War broke out, the Nationalists were mostly stopped by workers militias. The old government had mostly lost all credibility and effective power. Spain's most powerful political party, PSOE, was quasi-revolutionary and split into a liberal right wing led by Indalecio Prieto and a quasi-revolutionary wing led by Francisco Largo Caballero, who had led Spain's abortive 1934 workers revolution in Asturias. PSOE and the stalinist PCE both decided that rather than push for a Russian style revolution, that they would work to bolster the old capitalist liberal government of Spain. The PCE especially took charge of attacking the radical experiments of the anarchists and shutting down the collectivized farms and restoring property back to its old owners.

The situation was also even more complicated yet. In the chaos after the outbreak of the civil war and the near collapse of the Republican government, the anarchists emptied out most of the prisons and enlisted a lot of hardened criminals in their fighting battalions. In particular was an anarchist column called the Iron Column. It was a led by a former criminal lord arrested on charges of rape, extortion, and many such things. Anarchist squads attacked and assassinated PSOE and PCE trade union leaders, entirely unprovoked. This initiated a retaliatory cycle of violence where there was essentially a miniature civil war within the civil war going on within the Republican ranks.

It was also the case that a lot of the communications infrastructure of the Republic was held by anarchist collectivized enterprises. The Prime Minister could not even speak on the telephone without anarchists eavesdropping, and sometimes even chipping in and dropping in on the conversation. They controlled phone operations and so on. This was actually one of the big catalysts for the crackdown against the Anarchists in May 1937.

The game woefully misrepresents this. The anarchists did not rebel against the government, rather the PCE instigated a crackdown against them and violently put an end to their independent operations. The anarchists as such were not destroyed, just their influence. CNT ministers continued to serve in the government up to the very end of the war. The PCE, however, became more and more fanatical in its desire to control all political opinion within the Republic to the point of assassinating anyone even mildly critical of them, going so far as to kill other Republicans even on the field of battle!

One thing that kinda disappointed me is that we never got to see Segismundo Casado's coup in the game. It could have worked pretty well as something similar to the Fatherland Front coup we saw introduced for Bulgaria in BFTB.

The PCE's fanaticism in eliminating potential sources of internal dissent had a disastrous impact on the war effort. The PCE never was the ruling party of the Republic, rather they exercised power by proxy. The PM of the Republic after May 1937 was Juan Negrin, a member of the PSOE, was essentially a communist puppet. He even gave speeches that were literally written by Palmiro Togliatti, leader of the Italian COmmunist Party. Burnett Bulloten in his book on the Spanish Civil War provides some good evidence and a persuasive argument that Negrin's secretaries were communist spies as well.

As the war neared its end, the leaders of the PCE made many brave declarations that they would fight to the last man, and then promptly got a plane and fled to the Soviet Union. In Madrid, a Republican officer, Segismundo Casado, along with the remnants of the anarchists and other anti-stalinist officers and politicians launched a coup deposing Negrin's government to surrender to Franco. The terms of the surrender was basically unconditional surrender, with the proviso that Casado and his men and supporters in Madrid would be allowed to leave the country without interference by t he Nationalists. Surprisingly, Franco honored this promise.

Just a very brief and concise summary of some events of interest in the war. I wouldn't recommend reading online about it, tbh. The best thing you can do is pick up a book(or ideally, several of them!). The two pre-eminent historians of the Spanish Civil War in the English language are Stanley G. Payne and Paul Preston. Payne has a strong pro-franco bias and engages in borderline fascist apologetics at times, yet the depth and breadth of his mastery of the facts and his knowledge of Spanish history is unquestionable(even if his methodology and conclusions can be). Paul Preston, on the other hand, is basically the opposite. He's extremely pro-Republican and basically entire uncritical of the disastrous role played in the war by the Stalinist PCE; none the less, he's much closer to the mark in my opinion than Payne is. However, I think for the best and most comprehensive view of the history of the Spanish Civil War, you should absolutely read both.

Brief list of books I would HIGHLY recommend if you're interested in the subject:

The Spanish Civil War: Revolution and Counterrevolution by Burnett Bulloten
The Spanish Civil War: Reaction, Revolution, and Revenge by Paul Preston
The Spanish Holocaust: Inquisition and Extermination in Twentieth-Century Spain by Paul Preston.
The Spanish Civil War by Stanley Payne
The Franco Regime, 1936–1975 by Stanley Payne

I'd probably read them in that order, too. There are many more books beyond that, but I think that those will give you a pretty comprehensive view and introduction to the major subjects of interest. The anarchist question is dealt with in a lot of detail there as well. IIRC one of Payne's books goes into quite a lot of detail on it including economic figures and production numbers.


Thank you, this is one of the most in depth descriptions I've read. I'm still learning about the Spanish civil war, which is difficult because people want to spin this narrative or that about it. From my understanding I'd agree that there was no anarchist revolt against the "republican" government. It just seemed that the republican government agreed with them in principle or was so unfathomably weak that it just stood by as they wrecked havok on the country giving the right wing justification to start the civil war in the first place. Would that be a fair characterization?
 
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Also, Paradox. if you make female generals, add a female voiceover for em at least.
Recently, we have a lot of movies and games that promote inclusion.
The difference between those that do it right & those that do it wrong is whether that inclusion makes sense where you placed it.
- Female Generals in Germany? No.
- Female Generals in Turkey? No.
- Female Generals in Anarchist Spain? If anarchist spain had female generals then yes.
- Female aces in the USSR aviation? Yes.
- Female snipers in USSR? Yes.
- Female spies? Yes.

Add female characters where it makes sense to add female characters, otherwise it ruins immersion.
Inclusion is important, but don't make inclusion so important that you disregard everything else in the name of inclusion.

I'm saying this, because this seems to be the trend nowdays. I saw a Winter War movie were all Finnish soldiers were played by black people. What would even be the point of that? Ghostbusters 3 was a failure and is nicknamed "nopebusters", in Ghostbusters 3, it's a sci-fi movie so there was no "historically accurate" equivalent, but the series was already established as having 4 male protagonists, and their change of this in the name of inclusion was pretty on the face and people didn't like that. Star Wars EP8 didn't gender swap any characters, but the ones they added shouted so ridiculously "strong and independent woman" that the forced attempt of inclusion was again on the face, I'm talking of course about Admiral Holdo nicknamed "captain gender studies".

One of the movies (actually series) that did inclusion brilliantly right was Supernatural. It had: women hunters, gay characters, disabled characters and they fit in perfectly with the rest of the series. Because women hunters were not about shuting "strong and independent woman", they were normal hunters like every other hunter, the main thing about them was that they were hunters, not women. The same is true for the gay and disabled characters. Being gay was just a random trivia, forgettable, the main thing about them was that they were hunters. Same for the disabled characters, they had disabilities but that didn't stop them from being hunters, and they were normal hunters, not "look at me against all odds" or something like that.

I'm male and straight, but I'm also left-handed. Now, if I would want left-handed people to be represented in a movie or game, would I want a left-handed character that replaces a right-handed character? no. Or a left-handed that is clearly there to show how strong he is an how amazing is it to be left-handed? no. I would want a left-handed character that fits in with the lore and his left-handedness is just a side thing, not the whole reason he is in the show in the first place.

I just wanted to point this out so that paradox doesn't make an exaggeration and includes female generals properly. Not saying that they would, but there are many examples of doing it wrong in real life and just wanted to share my 2 cents.

To the rest, thank you for your sources and explainations!
 
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- Female Generals in Anarchist Spain? If anarchist spain had female generals then yes.

Well, I believe, that for anarchists, rebels or other unofficial armies there is not much choice, and any person with some war experience will be useful. So I have nothing against woman there.
But when I click her face and hear male voice, it frightens me. o_O
 
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We're probably supposed to hear the soldiers though. The voice sounds like it is on the front line, and there is a male voice even when the army has no general.
 
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Quick point about the Nationalists: There was no major fascist movement in Spain until 1936. The Falange only grew in numbers shortly before the SCW. The CEDA party was a broad coalition and by no means a fascist party. The Nationalists were originally little more than a coup by the military as it had happened multiple times in the 20's and 30's in Spain. The whole thing gained traction when Jose Calvo Sotelo, a leader of the CEDA was murdered just four days before the coup. Even before that, the two monarchist camps, the Carlists and the Alphonsists became closer, due to the Carlists being somewhat open about the Alphonsist pretender and the Alphonsists sharing more and more of the traditionalism of the Carlists. The fascists of the Falange hardly played a role in all of this. It#s probably not too far off to view the Falange, their images and their goals mostly as a brand that the Nationalists cultivated because Hitler and Mussolini were helping them. Had the UK supported the coup, I don't think we would have seen Franco adopting Fascist aesthetics and terminology in the beginning of his reign.

@Iskulya is right when he points out that the Spanish anarchists and their worker's militias played an important role in stopping the initial coup, but who knows if the coup had gained much support if it weren't for these worker's militias and their activities.
 
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From what I understand, the anarchists left the Republic because they were anti-authoritarian and the republic had signed it's soul over to the Stalinists.
 
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- Female Generals in Anarchist Spain? If anarchist spain had female generals then yes.
- Female aces in the USSR aviation? Yes.
- Female snipers in USSR? Yes.
- Female spies? Yes.

Well actually as far as WW2 is concerned none of those make a whole heck of a lot of sense either. I've done research on women in military service in WW2 in the past but I'll mostly be going off memory here:

-There were no female generals. Manchukuo in-game has one but her rank was essentially entirely ceremonial and she only ever commanded a few thousand (former) bandits on horses in the Manchurian countryside and the like. I think with LaR PDX made her a spy as well but by 1936 she was so well-known as a spy that any chance of her ever being one again was long gone, particularly as a Japanese asset in China.

-There were IIRC 1-2 women who claimed to be aces but their claims are highly dubious and very likely fiction created by the Soviet propaganda machine. Again going off memory, but IIRC neither actually scored 5 kills which is the universally accepted bar one must reach to be considered an ace.

-Out of circa 430k Soviet snipers, less than 2.5k were women, or about half a percent.

-Female spies to my understanding were not quite as rare as female snipers, but not far off. In-game the spy generator has a 50% chance of generating a female spy.

EDIT (decided to go look for some of my previous posts on these topics):

Out of interest, I looked up historical examples of female aces. There are two that are listed as such, at least one of whose ace status is disputed:

Yekaterina Budanova, listed to have 6 solo kills and 5 shared kills, but no official tally exists. Some Russian aviation historians dispute her ace status, claiming she only had 3 kills. To reach ace status one must attain 5 confirmed solo kills.

Lydia Lytviak, claimed to have between 5 and 12 solo kills, and 2 to 4 shared kills. However according to her Yakovlev mechanic, Ekaterina Polunina, 586th Fighter Aviation Regiment: "The kills of famous Soviet pilots, including those of Litvyak and Budanova, were often inflated; and that Litvyak should be credited with five solo aircraft kills and two group kills, including an observation balloon.".

Both flew combat sorties 1942-43. During 1943 both were shot down by the Luftwaffe, resulting in their deaths. According to one website, Budanova flew 266 sorties, with another claiming as many as 800. I find these claims dubious, considering Wikipedia claims her squadronmate, Lytviak, to have flown only 66 combat sorties.

For the case of Yoshiko Kawashima (the Manchurian "general"), see my post here and the two posts after it.
 
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@Fulmen, I agree completely, I like history not woke.
Interestingly enough the one thing Russian women really did that no one talks about is flying aircraft from Alaska to Siberia and beyond. It had to have been hell, horrid weather, primitive fields, no radar, no instrumentation. That was impressive work, but not sexy enough for SJWs.
 
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