what to do with holdings in MY county with a different liege?

[unmerged(45407)]

two questions here: i am playing as irish king trying to invade england. i captured york but realised quite a while later that the holdings (city, bishopry etc) in the country do not belong to me - they still belong to the English King.

Q1. how and why did this happen?
Q2. what can i do to make them serve me instead?

thanks in advance.

 

[grumphie]

you could press county claism on them(hard way), or continue fighting the english untill you destroyed him, resulting in independetn baronies.

 

[americanu197]

yeah you wouldnt want to push individual claims for small holdings like that ...instead keep going for duchies and then the crown then you can just vassalize them

 

[unmerged(45407)]

but why did it happen? the same thing happened in Oxford. but there are many other english counties where all holdings belong to me after a fight.

 

[Jeltz]

It mostly happens due to inheirtance. If so then you should ahve got an inheritance warning.

 

[Eternal]

The holdings might not have been vassals of the holder of the county to begin with, although I don't know how that can happen with cities and bishoprics.

 

[Talq]

They were not vassals of the county title holder. Agree they are annoying to get rid of.

 

[unmerged(45407)]

well York belonged to the English king before I claimed it. It did not happen during my control. I just experimented and found that some other English counties, like Oxford, have the same issues. I was kind of hoping that if I usurp the English throne I will take over them but given that the English King is also King of Sicily (no idea why), I think I would have to completely eradicate that dynasty to take over,

which is ridiculous. if i were a real king i would have burnt the entire city that refuses my control in my domain.

 

[Talq]

There is an exploit the AI freely uses that the king will grant a county from his demense after a de-jure war starts, but before it ends (so instead of the land being transferred to you, you just get to be liege of a count). However, if there were baronies outside of the capital in the province they tend not to be transferred over. This causes the split in rulership. (There are a few other situations too, but thats the more obvious one).

Personally I think the transferring land after a war starts exploit should be nerfed (either ban it, or make any title transfer after the war starts eligible for free revokation), and clearing up split-rulership situations should be easier than having to start a separate war for each holding.

 

[Ols]

Add a "rational borders" event that has a strong chance of transferring liege to the county owner unless the foreign liege is a Theocratic or Republican ruler. That lets the Papacy have baronies sworn to it inside other realms, but doesn't let random Waliyahs linger in Spain long after the Muslims are driven out. It could even be done with counties completely surrounded by other realms, to avoid major wars over small exclaves, though with a lesser chance.