What nations that existed in 1444 are still missing in the current version of EU4?

[flop404]

Vendee in France has a major history during this timeline

Well, ... hardly, actually.

Well, Vendée is a term created during the revolution, using part of the Poitou province. You could argue for a divide of lower and higher Poitou, but the terme of Vendée might be confusing in 1444

 

[Wudadi]

These are some of the most important missing states:

Skewbald Horde was decentralised - should be Tribal Federation

Pelym see above

Sultanate of the Maldives - existed in EU3

Kingdom of Shilluk was a regional power.

+1
West region of Lake Baikai to Sibir.

 

[Solaxe]

No more HRE nations. Please.

 

[Olaus Petrus]

While I agree with the rest of your post, Iceland having 2 provinces is just awkward. The only reason I could see is to have 2 nations that use Iceland as a colonial range extension or naval base. I haven't yet seen a game where Iceland was split for this purpose, alas.

The situation is awkward because there are "strategic" and "geographic" regions with populations and economies 10-50x that of Iceland that are lumped up as single province.

What's so awkward about it? I don't see problem with places like two province Iceland or two province Greenland. There's plenty of room in that region for these provinces and generally it's better to have smaller provinces than huge provinces which are hundreds of square kilometers in size. In case of Iceland these two provinces represent different Icelandic settlements.

 

[WhiskyGlen]

What's so awkward about it? I don't see problem with places like two province Iceland or two province Greenland. There's plenty of room in that region for these provinces and generally it's better to have smaller provinces than huge provinces which are hundreds of square kilometers in size. In case of Iceland these two provinces represent different Icelandic settlements.

One of the big reasons for having two provinces in those areas is probably so if you own both, you can fend off a rebel uprising... at least with the old system when only one rebel army usually popped up at a time. It often sucks when these single province islands wind up with rebels. Unless you have a ton of transports, there is often little you can do.

As for new provinces. Has anyone ever thought it would be interesting to have a fantasy map that is virtually the same, but instead adds another continent in the middle of the Pacific Ocean? Perhaps a smaller one in the Atlantic as well? Or, better yet, how about creating Pangea and putting each nation in their theorized positions (Scotland connected to what occupied the New York area and what not)? I suppose that's a thing for modders, but if they can do Conquest of Paradise, then this seems reasonable too.

 

[Trunting]

One of the big reasons for having two provinces in those areas is probably so if you own both, you can fend off a rebel uprising... at least with the old system when only one rebel army usually popped up at a time. It often sucks when these single province islands wind up with rebels. Unless you have a ton of transports, there is often little you can do.

As for new provinces. Has anyone ever thought it would be interesting to have a fantasy map that is virtually the same, but instead adds another continent in the middle of the Pacific Ocean? Perhaps a smaller one in the Atlantic as well? Or, better yet, how about creating Pangea and putting each nation in their theorized positions (Scotland connected to what occupied the New York area and what not)? I suppose that's a thing for modders, but if they can do Conquest of Paradise, then this seems reasonable too.

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[forrseti]

San Marino
Andorra
Lucca
Ormuz
Maldives

 

[Saintlukas]

anyone hoping for changes to the region of france and iberia should give up hope, you should that for gameplay reasons they are made relatively easier for new players to play as the big boys and any thing that might weaken them would be looked down upon.

 

[forrseti]

anyone hoping for changes to the region of france and iberia should give up hope, you should that for gameplay reasons they are made relatively easier for new players to play as the big boys and any thing that might weaken them would be looked down upon.

Well Leon (PU Castile) and Valencia (PU Aragon) would have been nice though.

 

[Krajzen]

anyone hoping for changes to the region of france and iberia should give up hope, you should that for gameplay reasons they are made relatively easier for new players to play as the big boys and any thing that might weaken them would be looked down upon.

''Oh I am new player what a scary complicated strategy game. Let's play as something easy then...Castille, yes, in kindergarten I remember something about Spanish galleon. Oh God what it is? Rebels of Leon? Jesus Christ they killed my royal army. Well, sorry paradox, I gave you these dollars for base EU4 but I won't play it ever again nor buy dlc, it is too difficult. I go back to league of legends''

...well yeah if I were from paradox company I would also tremble imagining losing all this money.
...

You... are aware that France historically WAS the country strong enough to fight half of HRE since 1494 and basically in 1494-1815 period it received like 50 coalitions devoted to fighting it? Spain wasn't that OP, it just maintained the empire stretching on three continents while fighting Ottomans France England Netherlands and Morocco for mere 100 years before economical fall.

As long as in eu4 Spain isn't able to dominate area from Mexico to Argentina in 50 years and lone Revolutionary France can't beat coalition of GB, Austria, HRE, Prussia, Russia, Portugal and Spain - they are not as overpowered as they were in history.

And yes, I have once played as Netherlands while bordering hostile France...

 

[RockmanYoshi]

-snip, just add hormuz and zanzibar please-

 

[Te. Kenzo]

The Zulu didn't exist as anything close to a cohesive nation until the 19th century.

Also Zulu was only a clan, Dingiswayo that was doing the work to give easy life ot Shaka was not a Zulu.

 

[Krajzen]

Also Zulu was only a clan, Dingiswayo that was doing the work to give easy life ot Shaka was not a Zulu.

Ok Zulu would be stupid.

My list:
Tag-Slovenia
Tag-Aquilea
Tag-Leon
Tag-Azerbeijan
Lucca
Generally few Italian minors
Hormuz
Zanzibar
Buganda
Bunyoro
Shilluki
Rwanda
Katsina
Katanga
Maravi
Rozwi
Tag-Zimbabwe
Antananarivo+other Madagascar minors
Few Polynesian kingdoms vide Tonga, eventually Hawaii

 

[TheBoozehammer]

There are a lot of good ideas in this thread, I hope Paradox is watching.

 

[Grand Historian]

Iberia (aka popular requests):
Leon
Valencia

Greece/Asia Minor:
Nikaea
Thessalonika
Cilicia

Germany/Italy:
Aquilea (at least add a core)
Nurenburg
Lucca

Russia:
Rostov

Middle East:
Jalayrids
Antioch
Hormuz

France:
Aquitaine (?)
Lotharingia

Japan:
Shoni
Akamatsu
Toki
Satake

Pacific:
Tonga
Fiji
Samoa

England (for the sake of a balkanizable England):
Wessex
Mercia
Essex
East Anglia (?)

 

[VolitionNewlove]

England (for the sake of a balkanizable England):
Wessex
Mercia
Essex
East Anglia (?)

Please tell me this is a joke.

Though, maybe these people are hoping to see them included...

 

[Junuxx]

The game definitely needs a Flevoland tag.

 

[Deathlinger]

Munster should be split into Desmond and Thomond. Tyrone should be split to include Tyrconnell. Meath should also probably be rebellion nation

 

[Grand Historian]

Please tell me this is a joke.

Though, maybe these people are hoping to see them included...

Pretty much. I also hope they add in the nation of Grrfurjiclestan.

 

[Castrolol]

There are a couple of massive nations I would like to see able to be balkanised. Castile and the Mamelukes are the biggest that come to mind.