What nations that existed in 1444 are still missing in the current version of EU4?

[ryth]

Maybe optional Zulu tribal kingdom

The Zulu didn't exist as anything close to a cohesive nation until the 19th century.

 

[Umega]

There was Montferrat, which was sandwiched inbetween Milan and Savoy.

 

[Lamahorse]

Here's hoping for Ireland to be fleshed into a gaggle of low base tax one province minors.

Some Anglo-Irish / Anglo-Norman successor states would be nice.

Edit: I hope at some point that the Holy Roman Empire can be massively fleshed out, along with Northern Italy. European DLC pls. :ninja:

 

[white army]

Also, Florence should perhaps start as a Republican Dictatorship under Cosimo de' Medici, as the Republic was already dying politically at this stage, but the Medicis hadn't yet got themselves installed as legitimate hereditary dukes. (Dictatorship also offers an interesting starting choice for the player: do you pull back from the brink and try to restore the old republic, or do you let a monarchy become established?) Actually, I wonder if Florence is the country Paradox had in mind when they came up with the 'republic devolves into monarchy' mechanics.

There could also be the option of a middle ground using Dutch Republic mechanics, where you have a 'Medici' faction and a 'signoria' faction.

There should be also event features Leonardo de Vinci and 'Pacci' and 'Medici' factions. When Leonardo finds the book of leaves, you can annex any country on earth and become have tech 32 on everything. hahaha

 

[Kinney]

There are still no Polynesian cultures or nations. Maybe Aotearoa or Hawai'i.

 

[The Guy 123]

The nation of Oman should be split into two tags the sultanate of Oman and the Imamate of Muscat, which was a theocracy. An Ibadi theocracy would be interesting to play as
well.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

There are still no Polynesian cultures or nations. Maybe Aotearoa or Hawai'i.

Playing Hawai'i would be one of the most thankless starting positions ever :/. I guess you could give them a tech group that lets them attack others, but you'd have to give them vision too or it's a game of "sit there for decades".

 

[Yxklyx]

Playing Hawai'i would be one of the most thankless starting positions ever :/. I guess you could give them a tech group that lets them attack others, but you'd have to give them vision too or it's a game of "sit there for decades".

Can't you create a nation with a later starting date to avoid this? Personally, I was thinking of playing Tahiti since it's not as isolated - anyway Hawaii is in the wrong trade node unless you plan on landing in the New World.

 

[ChildeR]

Technically speaking France could just start with a modifier that allows it + to Dip Rel until it no longer has any of X vassals (X being the vassals it starts with), or until a certain date to avoid France sitting on one vassal or some such stupidness.

Feudal monarchies in general could get something like +1 dip rel / 3 vassals.

 

[blackchoas]

There should be also event features Leonardo de Vinci and 'Pacci' and 'Medici' factions. When Leonardo finds the book of leaves, you can annex any country on earth and become have tech 32 on everything. hahaha

I mean its nothing to in depth but if your playing as an italian state you get an event where you get Leonardo de Vinci as a level 3 artist type advisor although in all honesty I have never been able to afford to pay him when it happened to me

 

[WeissRaben]

A number of minors in Italy and environs, as it was pointed out. Saluzzo, Monferrato, Valais, Geneve, Savona, Lucca, Ravenna, Rimini, Aquileia as a Venetian vassal, the Graubunden, Gorz. There surely is something else, too, but these are the ones that come to mind now.

 

[yerm]

Technically speaking France could just start with 0 vassals and 100% Local Autonomy in all of those provinces. The entire premise of a feudal monarchy was that it had feudal vassals; making France some kind of whipping boy for it that results in them being obnoxious for a human player but a mini-revoked-hre that shits on all comers as an ai, is hardly the solution.

 

[Chlodio]

Italy:
Most Serene Republic of Lucca
Margraviate of Montferrat (vassal of Savoy)
Margraviate of Salucco (vassal of Savoy)

Iberia:
Kingdom of Valencia (junior partner under Aragon)
Kingdom of Leon (junior partner under Castile) because: The union between León and Castile was never accepted by Leonese people. The Kingdom of León and the Kingdom of Castile kept different Parliaments, different flags, different coin and different laws until the Modern Era, when Spain, like other European states, centralized governmental power.

Ireland:
Kingdom of Desmond
Kingdom of East Breifne
Kingdom of West Breifne
Kingdom of Tyrconnell

Baltic Region:
Bishopric of Ösel–Wiek (vassal of Livonia Order)
Bishopric of Dorpat (vassal of Livonia Order)

HRE:
Duchy of Ingolstadt
Duchy of Landshut
Duchy of Munchen

 

[Katsue]

Several Irish states, of course. A map of Ireland in 1450 shows 15 major independent Gaelic clans or Hiberno-Norman earldoms, 5 major vassal earldoms, and the Pale, which during the period was often dominated by the Fitzgeralds of Kildare.

 

[WeissRaben]

Italy:
Most Serene Republic of Lucca
Margraviate of Montferrat (vassal of Savoy)
Margraviate of Salucco (vassal of Savoy)

Montferrat should indeed be a vassal of Savoy, since 1435; Saluzzo, though, was as of 1444 still independent, having fought proudly up then to preserve their autonomy. This lasted until 1549, when it was annexed to France and held until 1601, passing to Savoy.

 

[fangermany]

Ireland:
Kingdom of Desmond
Kingdom of East Breifne
Kingdom of West Breifne
Kingdom of Tyrconnell

That would make the "form italy" Achievement very difficult for noob players like me --> I like it


Iberia:
Kingdom of Valencia (junior partner under Aragon)
Kingdom of Leon (junior partner under Castile) because: The union between León and Castile was never accepted by Leonese people. The Kingdom of León and the Kingdom of Castile kept different Parliaments, different flags, different coin and different laws until the Modern Era, when Spain, like other European states, centralized governmental power.

yeah great idea for 1.11

 

[Buladelu]

It's not in 1444 but I was surprised not seeing Munster Commune in the game.

There's even separate provinces for city and bishopric as if they were going to add this interesting state. But alas.

 

[BritNavFan]

An (arbitrarily large) number of polities in the Mossi, Hausa, Yoruba, and Nupe regions.

The Mossi were a culture, not a state. Traditionally, there were 7 Mossi kingdoms. How many of these existed at 1444 is a very open question. But the Mossi area in 1444 was certainly split into many more than 1 or 2 polities. So, for example, while I don't know whether Yatenga, per se, existed in 1444 or not, the area would be better represented by having Yatenga exist in part of the area currently controlled by "Mossi".

Hausa has been split into 3 polities from the 1 in EU3 and that's certainly an improvement. But they traditionally had 14 Hausa states. Gobir and Kebbi, at the very least, should be added.

The Yoruba were split into many small polities. In no way were they united under one kingdom (Oyo). Also, Benin wasn't that powerful. A better representation of the 8 provinces currently occupied by Oyo and Benin might be Oyo and Benin with 2 provinces each and 4 one-province minors.

The 3 provinces currently under "Nupe" would make more sense as 3 OPM's.

 

[Destinyfaker]

around 200-250 hre nations but that will never happen so i am fine

maybe a few asian and african ones ?

 

[Katsue]

Ireland:
Kingdom of Desmond

In principle, Desmond should be a vassal of England. In practice, I'm not sure. Can vassals make war on each other? Desmond and Ormond were in constant conflict IRL.