Two very different games, both developed by the same company... a player who like Crusader Kings may hate Europa Universalis and viceversa... so the only way you can know if you'll like it it's playing the demo.
What makes this game worth buying if I already have CK2?
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Well its obviously a matter of personal taste, but I do think that building up and specialising your country in certain fields (like trade and exploring) is a very deep gameplay experience, theres just so many roads you can take in Eu3. Whereas in Ck2 you just marry and conquer your way to world domination, I did enjoy Ck2 but it became old alot faster than Eu3 did, for me at least. Vicky 2 (with expansions) is a really great game, and my 2nd favorite paradox game, but like Ck2 every game will start to feel the same really fast, theres really only one path you can follow, Improve Pops -> Research Tech -> Industrialise -> Win.
I did like Divine Wind btw, the only thing I disliked about it was the horde mechanic, and I think that has been changed for Eu4.
I did like Divine Wind btw, the only thing I disliked about it was the horde mechanic, and I think that has been changed for Eu4.
The horde mechanic is gone. at least in the demo. I tried as the Mongol Khanate and I had to declare war on other people.
Back on topic is that they are two different games and I like them both I just started getting into CK II and am having a lot of fun. My first Paradox game was EU III and it is a really fun game and I still play it sometimes.
I think you already have your answer, Nats. Hope you didn't spend the money, it will spare you some hair pulling.
EU4 is the polished, matured version of EU3's gameplay systems.
I wouldn't mind seeing the rulers rulers, relationships, and characters in EU4 down the track expanded upon. Especially as the time period transitions from dynasties and feudal law, to nation states with standing armies.
I love CK2, and played a lot of it. But I could never quite get past ~1300 or so. EU3 however I never had a problem going right to the end. I also found merchant republics pretty boring to play in CK2, whereas they're much more fun in EU4 thus far.
I love CK2, and played a lot of it. But I could never quite get past ~1300 or so. EU3 however I never had a problem going right to the end. I also found merchant republics pretty boring to play in CK2, whereas they're much more fun in EU4 thus far.
The truth is not every CK2 owner will like EU4 this isn't a bad thing or a good thing, it simply is.
I prefer EU style games vs CK style games. But it a subjective thing. I never felt attached to my king in CK1 (while I now own ck2 I haven't installed it). If you are enjoying the demo then you will probably enjoy EU4 but as you are asking a purely subjective question we really can't help you. The reasons we like things are as varied as the people answering.
Really enjoyed both EUIII and CK2, but CK2 is the more engaging, cohesive and enjoyable game - IMO of course.
It will be great to see if PDS can bring that same polish and sense of engagement to EUIV. If I want a dynastic game, I'll go play CK2 again (especially now that I have 2 copies
). It's the grand strategy of shaping a nation over hundreds of years that I'm looking forward to in EUIV.
It will be great to see if PDS can bring that same polish and sense of engagement to EUIV. If I want a dynastic game, I'll go play CK2 again (especially now that I have 2 copies
). It's the grand strategy of shaping a nation over hundreds of years that I'm looking forward to in EUIV.
EU4 is a lot more refined and complex. Diplomatic actions are more fleshed out and sensible.
For example, didn't you ever hate it when you would basically conquer an entire region to get warscore up to 100%, just to win the war and only get that one little duchy you declared war for? EU4 lets you barter with your vanquished enemy and his allies for better or worse deals depending on how well you did. And you can make deals outside the realm of territory too, forcing enemies to break treaties with allies, grabbing their trade power, etc.
And in CK2 haven't you ever hated when RNG makes you fabricate a claim on a county for three or four generations with no success? Or when you have those stubborn provinces that just refuse to convert religion despite having your insanely skilled chaplain working on it for half a century? In EU4 all those types of things are not random. They take a set amount of progress. The big difference though is that the resources you use to do stuff like that are a lot more limited. So you can more reliably fabricate claims and flip religions, but your limited number of resources means you have to plan a careful strategy instead of just relying on random chance.
For example, didn't you ever hate it when you would basically conquer an entire region to get warscore up to 100%, just to win the war and only get that one little duchy you declared war for? EU4 lets you barter with your vanquished enemy and his allies for better or worse deals depending on how well you did. And you can make deals outside the realm of territory too, forcing enemies to break treaties with allies, grabbing their trade power, etc.
And in CK2 haven't you ever hated when RNG makes you fabricate a claim on a county for three or four generations with no success? Or when you have those stubborn provinces that just refuse to convert religion despite having your insanely skilled chaplain working on it for half a century? In EU4 all those types of things are not random. They take a set amount of progress. The big difference though is that the resources you use to do stuff like that are a lot more limited. So you can more reliably fabricate claims and flip religions, but your limited number of resources means you have to plan a careful strategy instead of just relying on random chance.
While I enjoy CK2 (around 130~ hours) ... I'm looking forward to the differences of EUIV.
Often after long play sessions I find myself needlessly clicking through popups and screwing something up in CK2... while I enjoy the game the UI and a lot of the mechanics come down to a lot of tedium... does anyone really enjoy finding spouses for their 13 kids? And then after you invest all that time into making sure everyone is happily married and it's secured you some alliances and possibly inheritences of future kingdoms... someone turns around and revolts on you! From what I've seen in EU, whilst the shit can still hit the fan with rebellions, culture, overextension, etc... there won't be any "Oh no my aunts cousins sisters mothers brother in law has claims on my throne because I didn't think through the marriage of my great great great aunt through well enough.
EU gives me a little more control... It'll be a nice change in pace!
Often after long play sessions I find myself needlessly clicking through popups and screwing something up in CK2... while I enjoy the game the UI and a lot of the mechanics come down to a lot of tedium... does anyone really enjoy finding spouses for their 13 kids? And then after you invest all that time into making sure everyone is happily married and it's secured you some alliances and possibly inheritences of future kingdoms... someone turns around and revolts on you! From what I've seen in EU, whilst the shit can still hit the fan with rebellions, culture, overextension, etc... there won't be any "Oh no my aunts cousins sisters mothers brother in law has claims on my throne because I didn't think through the marriage of my great great great aunt through well enough.
EU gives me a little more control... It'll be a nice change in pace!
The systems for declaring war and asking for peace is far superior to CK2. There are a lot of options that allow you to do interesting things -- release minors, demand that they lose core provinces, vassalize states, and so on. That is what makes it far more interesting strategically.
This is what I've been worried about, all the new Paradox fans CK2 brought in harming the other franchises.
EU is not CK and it is not meant to be. No characters, dynasties, etc. please; don't dilute this game even further with CK2 mechanics, otherwise we'll have people clamouring for First Ladies and President's dogs in Victoria 3 and HOI4.
EU is not CK and it is not meant to be. No characters, dynasties, etc. please; don't dilute this game even further with CK2 mechanics, otherwise we'll have people clamouring for First Ladies and President's dogs in Victoria 3 and HOI4.
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Two reasons for me:
1) I get to see the alternate history of the ENTIRE world rather than just Europe.
2) Crusader Kings 2 save game converter for Europa Universalis IV. The fact that I can now play from 867 until the mid 19th century really did it for me. Had there been no such thing as the save game converter, I had no initial plans to purchase it.
1) I get to see the alternate history of the ENTIRE world rather than just Europe.
2) Crusader Kings 2 save game converter for Europa Universalis IV. The fact that I can now play from 867 until the mid 19th century really did it for me. Had there been no such thing as the save game converter, I had no initial plans to purchase it.
I think that's a little extreme, Daema.
Sorry, didn't mean to come off as abrasive. There are just a lot of things that were carried over from CK2 to EU4 that I don't think should have been, and I'm worried the same fate will befall my beloved Victoria.
Considering the quality of your monarch is probably more important EU4 than CK2, I'd suggest they put too few of these features in EU4, not too many.
The importance of your monarch is one of my issues with EU4. Without the CK2 mechanics to develop your monarch, RNG has a major role in your success/failure, but with the CK2 mechanics the game wouldn't be a Europa Universalis game.
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Because you should get it for the sake of your character! You can continue his legacy (his nation) into the 19th century.
You still have 400+ minutes before getting the CK -> EU 4 converter for free.
You still have 400+ minutes before getting the CK -> EU 4 converter for free.
Sure it would, as I recall Queen Victoria actively tried to strategically marry off her children to inherit as many thrones of Europe as possible and this was in the late 19th century; surely it wouldn't be out of place in the 15th century.