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Emmanuel_M

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Regarding edits :

* point in Toyohara might stay : these island are (still) a point of contention between Russia and Japan
* province = { id = 1692 points = 1 } # Noumea should be removed, but a point for free france might be added in Dakar. Getting Free France annexed if all Africa goes in Axis would make sense.
* #removed province = { id = 1797 points = 1 } # Jerusalem --> the city had enoguh religious value to be worth 1 point
 

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Thanks for looking at the changes directly.
*Toyohara has nothing to offer as a province, many provinces are a point of contention that donnot have VPs.
*Noumea, yeah I probably should remove that. That reminds me I should edit the relevant events (i.e. Vichy, China industry, Soviet industry) in order to represent the changing importance of the provinces. Also to prevent France getting annexed straight after Vichy!
*Jerusalem has been given back its VP in one of the newer edits.
 

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@Pang Bingxun: is it WAD that the Soviet industry events take away more VPs then they give? The first event takes away 11VPs while only giving 3. The second takes away 4 and gives 3.
 

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Hmm, when I tried to download the VP file behind the posted link I got a WOT warning (poor reputation of the site). Mr_B0narpte, what do you think, could you post the content of the file in CODE format in this thread? (It should be about 500 rows? which would be all right, I think. Although many have already downloaded the file...)

By the way, about giving VPs to battle sites, it still isn't clear how much support there is to this idea. (I'm rather neutral, although that's not important.)
 

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Code:
province = { id = 5 points = 1 } # Scapa Flow added due to its naval and air bases
province = { id = 9 points = 3 } # Glasgow # was 5 due to its low IC
province = { id = 10 points = 3 } # Edinburgh # was 5 due to its low IC
province = { id = 11 points = 5 } # Sunderland # was 10
province = { id = 12 points = 1 } # Blackpool added due to its IC and resources
province = { id = 13 points = 5 } # Sheffield added due to its high IC, resources and naval and air base
province = { id = 14 points = 6 } # Liverpool added due to its high IC, resources and naval and air bases
province = { id = 15 points = 2 } # Cardiff added due to its IC and high resources
province = { id = 16 points = 5 } # Birmingham
province = { id = 17 points = 1 } # Norwich added due to its IC and naval and air bases
province = { id = 19 points = 30 } # London
province = { id = 20 points = 1 } # Dover added due to its IC and naval and air bases
province = { id = 21 points = 1 } # Portsmouth added due to its IC and naval and air bases
province = { id = 22 points = 1 } # Bristol added due to its IC
province = { id = 23 points = 1 } # Plymouth added due to its IC and naval and air bases
province = { id = 28 points = 1 } # Belfast # was 5 due to its low IC
province = { id = 30 points = 2 } # Dublin
province = { id = 31 points = 1 } # Malta # was 3 due to strategic position, and small naval and air bases
province = { id = 32 points = 4 } # Brest added due to its position and naval and air bases
province = { id = 33 points = 1 } # Rennes added due to its IC
province = { id = 35 points = 1 } # Nantes added due to its IC
province = { id = 38 points = 2 } # Cherbourg added due to its air and naval bases
province = { id = 39 points = 1 } # Caen # was 5 due to its low IC
province = { id = 41 points = 1 } # Le Havre
province = { id = 43 points = 2 } # Dunkerque
province = { id = 44 points = 6 } # Lille # was 2 due to its high IC, resources and air bases
province = { id = 45 points = 1 } # Ghent added due to its IC and naval bases
province = { id = 46 points = 1 } # Rotterdam added due to its IC and naval bases
province = { id = 47 points = 5 } # Amsterdam
province = { id = 49 points = 1 } # Eindhoven added due to its IC and resources
province = { id = 50 points = 1 } # Antwerp # was 2 due to its IC and air bases
province = { id = 51 points = 3 } # Brussels
province = { id = 56 points = 30 } # Paris # was 25 due to its high IC, resources and because its a capital of a major
province = { id = 57 points = 1 } # Orleans added due to its IC
province = { id = 66 points = 1 } # Aachen added due to its resources
province = { id = 67 points = 5 } # Essen # was 25 due to its lower resources compared to other German provinces, and low IC
province = { id = 68 points = 1 } # Liege added due to its IC and resources
province = { id = 71 points = 1 } # Luxembourg
province = { id = 72 points = 9 } # Metz added due to its IC, high resources, air bases and its military significance
province = { id = 73 points = 4 } # Strasbourg # was 2 due to its resources and military significance
province = { id = 74 points = 3 } # Saarbrucken added due to its IC and resources
province = { id = 75 points = 10 } # Cologne
province = { id = 76 points = 10 } # Dortmund added due to its IC and very high resources
province = { id = 77 points = 1 } # Arnhem added due to its IC and resources
province = { id = 80 points = 3 } # Wilhelmshaven added due to its IC and naval and air bases
province = { id = 81 points = 1 } # Munster added due to its IC
province = { id = 82 points = 1 } # Kassel added due to its air bases
province = { id = 83 points = 1 } # Schweinfurt added due to its IC
#removed province = { id = 84 points = 5 } # Erfurt due to it being of no in-game worth
province = { id = 86 points = 5 } # Hannover
province = { id = 88 points = 1 } # Hamburg # was 5 due to its low IC
province = { id = 90 points = 3 } # Kiel # was 5 due to its low IC
#removed province = { id = 92 points = 1 } # Århus
province = { id = 93 points = 1 } # Malmö
province = { id = 94 points = 1 } # Noginsk added because it has a significant amount of energy
province = { id = 98 points = 1 } # Göteborg # was 2 because it has the same important as Malmo and Kiruna was given VPs
province = { id = 101 points = 4 } # Stockholm
#removed province = { id = 105 points = 1 } # Karlstad becuase it is really low on IC and resources and Kiruna was given another VP
province = { id = 107 points = 5 } # Oslo
province = { id = 110 points = 2 } # Bergen added as it has naval and air bases and its military significance
province = { id = 113 points = 1 } # Falun
province = { id = 118 points = 1 } # Trondhiem added as it has military significance
province = { id = 125 points = 2 } # Narvik # was 5 as Bergen and Trondhiem were given VPs, and Narvik is not overly significant in-game
province = { id = 126 points = 2 } # Kiruna added as it is extremely resource rich in metal
province = { id = 133 points = 3 } # Murmansk # was 5 due to its small naval and air bases and geopgraphical location
province = { id = 137 points = 1 } # Oulu added as it has 1IC and 10 air bases
#removed province = { id = 138 points = 1 } # Vaasa as it only has 1IC and very little resources
province = { id = 141 points = 1 } # Turku
province = { id = 142 points = 4 } # Helsinki # was 3 as it is by-far the most important province in Finland and is really the only one that needs defending
#removed province = { id = 145 points = 1 } # Viipuri as it only has IC and very little resources
province = { id = 154 points = 2 } # Archangelsk # was 5 as it has little naval and air bases, and its location undermines its significance
province = { id = 163 points = 8 } # Stalingrad # was 30 as it only has 1IC, very little resources and manpower, but is still a place of a well-known historical battle/campaign
province = { id = 168 points = 1 } # Gorkij added as it has some IC, resources and manpower
#removed province = { id = 174 points = 2 } # Kalinin as it has 1IC and very little resources
province = { id = 175 points = 30 } # Moscow # was 50 as it is not the most important province in the game
province = { id = 181 points = 1 } # Kaluga # was 2 as it only has 1IC and some air bases
province = { id = 182 points = 1 } # Mozhaisk added as it has some energy resource
province = { id = 187 points = 9 } # Leningrad # was 30 was it only has 3IC, little resources and manpower, but is still a place of a well-known historical battle/campaign
province = { id = 194 points = 2 } # Tallinn
province = { id = 197 points = 2 } # Riga
province = { id = 201 points = 1 } # Opochka added as it has 6 airfields
province = { id = 207 points = 2 } # Kaunas
#removed province = { id = 209 points = 2 } # Grodno as it has no IC, manpower or resources
province = { id = 212 points = 3 } # Minsk # was 5 as it has little resources or IC
province = { id = 217 points = 2 } # Vitebsk
province = { id = 219 points = 3 } # Smolensk # was 5 or it has little resources or IC
province = { id = 220 points = 1 } # Mogilev added as it has 1IC and air bases
province = { id = 228 points = 1 } # Vinnitsa added as it has 3IC and some resources and manpower
province = { id = 233 points = 1 } # Odessa # was 2 due to its low IC and small airfields
province = { id = 235 points = 2 } # Dnepropetovsk added as it has several resources and IC
province = { id = 236 points = 6 } # Krivoy Rog added as it has many resources and IC
province = { id = 238 points = 3 } # Kiev # was 5 as it has little IC or resources
province = { id = 243 points = 1 } # Kursk added as it has some resources and 1IC
province = { id = 246 points = 3 } # Zaporozhye added as it has several resources
province = { id = 248 points = 2 } # Kharkov
province = { id = 249 points = 5 } # Stalino added as it has 4IC, many resources, 5 manpower
province = { id = 253 points = 3 } # Sevastopol # was 2 as it has 10 naval bases and 6 air bases, being the most significant coastal province in the Black Sea
province = { id = 258 points = 2 } # Rostov
#removed province = { id = 293 points = 1 } # Odense as Copenhagen is much more important and Odense is low in IC and resources
province = { id = 298 points = 1 } # Magedburg added as it has 3IC
province = { id = 294 points = 3 } # Copenhagen # was 1 as it is by-far the most important province in Denmark
province = { id = 296 points = 2 } # Rostock added as it has 4 air bases and 10 naval bases
province = { id = 300 points = 30 } # Berlin
province = { id = 302 points = 1 } # Stettin added as it has 4IC
province = { id = 303 points = 2 } # Danzig
province = { id = 310 points = 5 } # Leipzig
province = { id = 311 points = 6 } # Dresden # was 5 as it is high in IC
province = { id = 312 points = 2 } # Nuremberg # was 5 as other German provinces have more IC and resources
province = { id = 313 points = 4 } # Frankfurt added as it has 7IC and 4 air bases
province = { id = 314 points = 7 } # Stuttgart # was 5 as it is high in IC
province = { id = 316 points = 1 } # Mulhouse # was 7 as it is low in everything, with some military significance
province = { id = 318 points = 1 } # Dijon added
province = { id = 320 points = 3 } # Vichy # was 5 as it is low in everything
province = { id = 323 points = 1 } # La Rochelle added
province = { id = 325 points = 5 } # Bordeaux # was 7 as it has low IC and not that many air and naval bases
#removed province = { id = 331 points = 2 } # Bilbao as it is very low in everything
province = { id = 333 points = 1 } # Burgos
province = { id = 334 points = 1 } # La Coruña
province = { id = 335 points = 1 } # Oporto
province = { id = 336 points = 6 } # Lissabon # was 3 as it is Portugal's most important province, being high in IC and naval and air bases
province = { id = 339 points = 1 } # Valladolid
province = { id = 341 points = 5 } # Madrid # was 3 as it is Spain's capital and is high in IC
province = { id = 342 points = 1 } # Guadalajara
#removed province = { id = 346 points = 1 } # Huelva as it has virtually nothing
province = { id = 347 points = 4 } # Seville # was 2 as it is high in IC and has naval and air bases
province = { id = 348 points = 6 } # Gibraltar # was 7 as other provinces in the British empire deserve VPs
#removed province = { id = 349 points = 1 } # Málaga as it has virtually nothing
province = { id = 351 points = 1 } # Jaen added as it has several rare materials
#removed province = { id = 352 points = 1 } # Murcia as it has virtually nothing
province = { id = 354 points = 2 } # València
province = { id = 356 points = 1 } # Tarragona
province = { id = 357 points = 2 } # Barcelona
province = { id = 359 points = 4 } # Toulouse # was 7 as it is low in IC, resources and manpower
province = { id = 362 points = 2 } # Montpellier added because it has some resources and 3IC
province = { id = 364 points = 6 } # Marseille # was 7 as it has only has some IC, resources and manpower
province = { id = 365 points = 2 } # Toulon added because it has 15 metal
province = { id = 368 points = 5 } # Genoa # was 7 as other Italian territories deserve VPs
province = { id = 369 points = 1 } # La Spezia added as it has 10 naval bases
province = { id = 370 points = 8 } # Milan # was 7 as it is high in IC, resources and manpower, and has air bases
province = { id = 376 points = 2 } # Munich # was 10 as it only has 5IC and 10 air basesd
province = { id = 377 points = 2 } # Innsbruck
province = { id = 378 points = 8 } # Venice # was 7 as it is high in IC, resources and manpower, and has air and naval bases
#removed province = { id = 380 points = 1 } # Ljubljana as Belgrade deserves more VPs
province = { id = 382 points = 1 } # Zagreb
province = { id = 384 points = 1 } # Split
province = { id = 386 points = 1 } # Sarajevo
province = { id = 390 points = 2 } # Tirana
province = { id = 401 points = 1 } # Athens
province = { id = 409 points = 3 } # Istanbul
province = { id = 411 points = 1 } # Salonika
#remoed province = { id = 413 points = 1 } # Skopje as it is very low in anything, and Belgrade deserves more VPs
province = { id = 417 points = 2 } # Sofia # was 1 as it is the capital of Bulgaria
#removed province = { id = 421 points = 1 } # Plovdiv as Sofia deserved another VP
province = { id = 422 points = 1 } # Varna
province = { id = 424 points = 4 } # Bucharest # was 2as it is high in IC and the capital of Romania
#removed province = { id = 428 points = 1 } # Cluj-Napoca as it is very low in IC
province = { id = 431 points = 3 } # Ploesti # was 5 as Bucharest needs more VPs
province = { id = 433 points = 1 } # Iasi addedas it has 3IC
#removed province = { id = 437 points = 1 } # Izmir as it only has 1IC and very little else
province = { id = 439 points = 1 } # Izmit
province = { id = 445 points = 1 } # Gaziantep
province = { id = 448 points = 3 } # Ankara # was 2 as it has 6IC and is the capital of Turkey
province = { id = 450 points = 1 } # Trebizond
province = { id = 453 points = 4 } # Belgrade # was 2 as it has 9IC and is the capital of Yugoslavia
province = { id = 456 points = 1 } # Pecs # was 2 as Gyor deserved a VP
province = { id = 457 points = 2 } # Budapest
province = { id = 458 points = 1 } # Gyor added as it is high in metal
province = { id = 460 points = 2 } # Graz
province = { id = 462 points = 1 } # Salzburg # was 2 as Linz is given a VP
province = { id = 463 points = 6 } # Vienna
province = { id = 465 points = 1 } # Linz added as it has some IC and resources
province = { id = 469 points = 5 } # Prague # was 6 as other Czech provinces deserve VPs
province = { id = 470 points = 1 } # Pilsen
province = { id = 473 points = 4 } # Breslau added as it has 6IC, high in energy and has airbases
province = { id = 474 points = 1 } # Ostrava added as it is high in energy and has 3IC
province = { id = 475 points = 1 } # Brno added as it has 4IC
province = { id = 476 points = 4 } # Bratislava
province = { id = 479 points = 2 } # Cracow
province = { id = 480 points = 1 } # Kielce added as it has 4IC
province = { id = 482 points = 4 } # Oppeln added as it has 8IC and has several energy and metal
province = { id = 483 points = 1 } # Lodz # was 2 as other Polish provinces deserve VPs
province = { id = 485 points = 4 } # Warsaw
province = { id = 487 points = 1 } # Lublin added as it is high in energy
province = { id = 490 points = 1 } # Kosice # was 2 as other Czech provinces deserve VPs
province = { id = 497 points = 1 } # Debrecen
province = { id = 501 points = 2 } # Lvov
province = { id = 510 points = 3 } # Konigsberg added as it has 6IC and 10 air and naval bases
province = { id = 512 points = 2 } # Bologna # was 5 as Turin is of more value
province = { id = 513 points = 1 } # Florence added as it has 3IC
province = { id = 515 points = 20 } # Rome # was 15 as it is the capital of Italy
province = { id = 517 points = 1 } # Pescara added as it has 3IC
province = { id = 518 points = 1 } # Cassino added as it is a place of a well-known historical battle/campaign
province = { id = 519 points = 1 } # Anzio added as it a place of a well-known historical battle/campaign
province = { id = 521 points = 2 } # Naples # was 6 as it only has 4IC and some air bases
province = { id = 523 points = 2 } # Taranto # was 5 as it has no economic value, and just air and naval bases
province = { id = 525 points = 3 } # Palermo # was 5 as it just has 2IC and air and naval bases
province = { id = 528 points = 5 } # Lyon # was 2 as it is high in IC
province = { id = 531 points = 3 } # Turin added as it has 7IC and some resources
province = { id = 532 points = 1 } # Bern
province = { id = 533 points = 1 } # Zürich
province = { id = 534 points = 1 } # Sardinia added as it has 1IC, some metal and air and naval bases
province = { id = 538 points = 1 } # Bermuda added as it has air and naval bases
province = { id = 539 points = 1 } # Managua
province = { id = 540 points = 1 } # San José
province = { id = 541 points = 1 } # Vancouver
#removed province = { id = 547 points = 1 } # Unalaska Island as it completely worthless
province = { id = 549 points = 1 } # Anchorage
province = { id = 556 points = 1 } # Vancouver Island added as it is high in metal
province = { id = 562 points = 1 } # Rowne added as it has 3IC
#removed province = { id = 569 points = 1 } # Winnipeg as it does not have much IC
province = { id = 576 points = 1 } # Newfoundland added as it has 10 naval bases
province = { id = 579 points = 1 } # Halifax added as it has 10 naval bases and some IC
#removed province = { id = 585 points = 1 } # Montréal as Halifax is of more worth
province = { id = 588 points = 1 } # Ottawa
province = { id = 589 points = 1 } # Toronto
#removed province = { id = 595 points = 1 } # Concord as it has very little worth compared to many other US provinces
province = { id = 600 points = 1 } # Boston
province = { id = 602 points = 4 } # New York was 1 as it is high in IC
province = { id = 603 points = 3 } # Newark added as it is high in IC
province = { id = 604 points = 2 } # Atlantic City added as it is high in IC
province = { id = 606 points = 10 } # Washington D.C. was 1 as it is the capital of the USA
province = { id = 608 points = 3 } # Philadelphia # was 1 as it is high in IC
province = { id = 609 points = 2 } # Harrisburg added as it is high in resources and has some IC
province = { id = 613 points = 1 } # Buffalo 
province = { id = 614 points = 1 } # Pittsburgh
province = { id = 615 points = 1 } # Cleveland
province = { id = 616 points = 1 } # Detroit
#removed province = { id = 619 points = 1 } # Indianapolis as it is very low in IC compared to other US provinces
province = { id = 620 points = 1 } # Chicago
province = { id = 621 points = 1 } # Milwaukee
province = { id = 628 points = 1 } # Cincinatti added
province = { id = 633 points = 1 } # Norfolk
province = { id = 640 points = 1 } # Louisville
#removed province = { id = 642 points = 1 } # Nashville as it has little worth
#removed province = { id = 644 points = 1 } # Charleston as it only has 2IC
#removed province = { id = 645 points = 1 } # Columbia as it has little worth
#removed province = { id = 647 points = 1 } # Macon as it has little/ no worth
province = { id = 651 points = 1 } # Miami
province = { id = 654 points = 3 } # Havana # was 2 as it is the capital of Cuba and most of its IC is there
#removed province = { id = 657 points = 1 } # Guantánamo as Havana is much more important
province = { id = 662 points = 1 } # Midway Island
province = { id = 663 points = 1 } # Pearl Harbour
province = { id = 667 points = 7 } # Buenos Aires # was 6 as it is the capital of Argentina and most of its IC is there
#removed province = { id = 670 points = 1 } # Atlanta as it has little worth
province = { id = 672 points = 1 } # Birmingham, AL added as it is one of America's most resource rich provinces, but doesn't have more as the USA is massively under-represented
#removed province = { id = 675 points = 1 } # Jackson as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 676 points = 1 } # Mobile as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 680 points = 1 } # New Orleans as it is low in IC
province = { id = 682 points = 1 } # Monroe added as it is high in oil
#removed province = { id = 684 points = 1 } # Little Rock as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 688 points = 1 } # Springfield as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 689 points = 1 } # St. Louis as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 690 points = 1 } # Kansas City as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 692 points = 1 } # Des Moines as it is near worthless
province = { id = 693 points = 1 } # Minneapolis
#removed province = { id = 698 points = 1 } # Bismarck as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 707 points = 1 } # Denver as it is near worthless
province = { id = 715 points = 1 } # Dallas
province = { id = 716 points = 3 } # Houston # was 1
#removed province = { id = 717 points = 1 } # San Antonio as it is near worthless
province = { id = 721 points = 2 } # Lubbock added as it has over 140 oil
#removed province = { id = 724 points = 1 } # Albuquerque as it is near worthless
province = { id = 727 points = 1 } # Silver City added
#removed province = { id = 730 points = 1 } # Phoenix as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 733 points = 1 } # Salt Lake City as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 747 points = 1 } # Monterrey as it is near worthless
province = { id = 752 points = 3 } # Mexico City # was 2 as it is the capital of Mexico and high in IC
province = { id = 753 points = 1 } # Puebla
province = { id = 754 points = 1 } # Acapulco
province = { id = 755 points = 1 } # Villahermosa
province = { id = 757 points = 1 } # Guatemala
province = { id = 759 points = 1 } # San Salvador
province = { id = 760 points = 1 } # Tegucigalpa
province = { id = 761 points = 2 } # San Diego # was 1 as it has some IC and naval and air bases
province = { id = 762 points = 1 } # Los Angeles
#removed province = { id = 764 points = 1 } # Sacramento as it only has 4 airfields and little else
province = { id = 765 points = 3 } # San Francisco # was 1 as it has some IC and naval and air bases
#removed province = { id = 771 points = 1 } # Boise as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 774 points = 1 } # Great Falls as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 779 points = 1 } # Spokane as it is near worthless
province = { id = 780 points = 2 } # Seattle # was 1 as it has 10 naval and air bases
#removed province = { id = 783 points = 1 } # Portland as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 787 points = 1 } # Rapid City as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 789 points = 1 } # Omaha as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 793 points = 1 } # Tulsa as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 801 points = 1 } # Curacao as it only has 1IC
province = { id = 803 points = 2 } # Barranquilla
province = { id = 804 points = 2 } # Maracaibo
province = { id = 811 points = 2 } # Caracas
#removed province = { id = 812 points = 2 } # Cúcuta as it is near worthless
province = { id = 813 points = 4 } # Bogotá # was 2 as it is the capital of Columbia
province = { id = 815 points = 2 } # Quito
province = { id = 830 points = 4 } # Lima # was 2 as it is the capital of Peru
#removed province = { id = 831 points = 2 } # Arequipa as it is near worthless
province = { id = 832 points = 2 } # La Paz
province = { id = 837 points = 1 } # Asunción
province = { id = 839 points = 2 } # Antofagasta
province = { id = 840 points = 2 } # Santiago
#removed province = { id = 843 points = 1 } # San Miguel de Tucumán as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 844 points = 2 } # Corrientes as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 845 points = 2 } # Córdoba as it is near worthless
province = { id = 848 points = 1 } # Porto Alegre added as it has a naval base, IC and some resources
province = { id = 849 points = 1 } # Montevideo
province = { id = 851 points = 1 } # Rosario added
province = { id = 852 points = 3 } # Mar del Plata # was 2 as it has 5IC
province = { id = 853 points = 1 } # Bahia Blanca added as it has 8 naval base and 3 airfields
province = { id = 858 points = 1 } # Comordoro Rivadia added as it has 4IC
province = { id = 864 points = 1 } # Punta Arenas
#removed province = { id = 875 points = 2 } # Cayenne as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 879 points = 2 } # Belém as it is only has 1IC
province = { id = 880 points = 1 } # Fortaleza added as it has 3IC
province = { id = 881 points = 3 } # Recife # was 2 as it has 6IC
province = { id = 882 points = 1 } # Salvador # was 2 as it only has 3IC
#removed province = { id = 883 points = 3 } # Goiás as it only has 1IC
province = { id = 884 points = 2 } # Vitória
province = { id = 885 points = 4 } # Rio de Janeiro # was 2 as it is the capital of Brazil
province = { id = 886 points = 3 } # São Paulo # was 2 as 4IC and air and naval bases
province = { id = 888 points = 1 } # Panamá
province = { id = 889 points = 4 } # Colon # was 5 as other US provinces deserve VPs
province = { id = 892 points = 1 } # Port-au-Prince
#removed province = { id = 893 points = 4 } # Santiago as Santo Domingo is much more important
province = { id = 894 points = 5 } # Santo Domingo # was 1 as it is the capital of Dominican Republic
province = { id = 900 points = 5 } # Suez
province = { id = 901 points = 2 } # Port Said # was 5 as it is not as important as Suez
province = { id = 903 points = 2 } # Cairo
province = { id = 906 points = 4 } # Alexandria # was 5 as El Alamein has been given a VP
province = { id = 909 points = 1 } # El Alamein added as it is the sight of a well-known historical battle
province = { id = 919 points = 1 } # Tobruk # was 3 as it is low in naval and air bases
province = { id = 924 points = 1 } # Bengazi
province = { id = 932 points = 3 } # Tripoli
province = { id = 939 points = 3 } # Tunis # was 5 as it is low in IC and naval and air bases
province = { id = 949 points = 3 } # Algiers # was 5 as it is low in IC and naval and air bases
province = { id = 953 points = 1 } # Oran added as it has some naval and air bases
#is this needed? province = { id = 957 points = 0 } # Ceuta
province = { id = 958 points = 2 } # Casablanca
province = { id = 981 points = 2 } # Dakar # was 5 as it is low in naval and air bases
province = { id = 983 points = 1 } # Bissao added as it has some naval and air bases
province = { id = 992 points = 1 } # Monrovia
province = { id = 1046 points = 2 } # Addis Ababa
#removed province = { id = 1092 points = 2 } # Libreville  as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1095 points = 1 } # Banana
#removed province = { id = 1096 points = 1 } # Loanda  as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1100 points = 1 } # Nova Lisboa #was 5 as it only has some resources to offer
province = { id = 1101 points = 1 } # Benguella added as it has some naval and air bases
province = { id = 1116 points = 2 } # Cape Town # was 3 as Pretoria is much more important
#removed province = { id = 1117 points = 2 } # Port Elisabeth  as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1119 points = 1 } # Durban # was 2 as Pretoria deserves more VPs
province = { id = 1120 points = 3 } # Johannesburg
province = { id = 1121 points = 4 } # Pretoria added as it is high in IC and the capital of South Africa
#removed province = { id = 1122 points = 1 } # Lourenço Marques  as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1123 points = 1 } # Inhambane added as it has some naval and air bases
province = { id = 1127 points = 1 } # Élisabethville
#removed province = { id = 1142 points = 1 } # Léopoldville  as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1146 points = 1 } # Cap Verde Islands
province = { id = 1151 points = 10 } # Molotov added as it is very high in resources, paticularly rare materials
#removed province = { id = 1163 points = 1 } # Yakutsk  as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 1176 points = 1 } # Toyohara  as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 1178 points = 1 } # Asahikawa  as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1179 points = 3 } # Sapporo # was 2 as it is high in energy and resources
#removed province = { id = 1180 points = 1 } # Sendai # was 5 as other Japan provinces are more important
province = { id = 1181 points = 5 } # Akita # being kept as 5 as it has IC and 10 naval and air bases
province = { id = 1182 points = 1 } # Fukushima # was 5 as other Japanese provinces are more important
province = { id = 1183 points = 1 } # Niigata # was 5 as it is low in IC and resources
province = { id = 1184 points = 30 } # Tokyo # was 10 as it is very high in IC, resources, manpower and is the capital of Japan
province = { id = 1185 points = 8 } # Nagoya # was 10 as Tokyo deserved more VPs
province = { id = 1186 points = 5 } # Kanazawa
province = { id = 1187 points = 10 } # Osaka # being kept at 10 as it is high in IC and has 10 air and naval bases
province = { id = 1188 points = 6 } # Hiroshima added as it has 4IC and air and naval bases
province = { id = 1189 points = 6 } # Shikoku # was as 5 as it has 5IC and 10 air and naval bases
province = { id = 1190 points = 8 } # Fukuoka # was 5 as it is high in energy and rares, as well as 4IC and air and naval bases
province = { id = 1191 points = 1 } # Kagoshima # was 5 as other provinces are more important and it only has 4IC
province = { id = 1193 points = 2 } # Okinawa
province = { id = 1196 points = 2 } # Busan # was 1 as it has 10 naval and air bases
province = { id = 1199 points = 1 } # Seoul
province = { id = 1201 points = 1 } # Pyongyang
province = { id = 1202 points = 1 } # Dalian added as it has air and naval bases
province = { id = 1203 points = 1 } # Tangshan added as it has 30 energy
province = { id = 1204 points = 1 } # Tianjin
province = { id = 1205 points = 3 } # Beiping # was 5 as other Shanxi provinces deserve more VPs
#removed province = { id = 1207 points = 1 } # Jining as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 1210 points = 1 } # Baoding as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 1214 points = 1 } # Yantai as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1215 points = 1 } # Qingdao added as it has naval bases
province = { id = 1216 points = 4 } # Jinan # was 1 as it has some IC, lots of manpower and some air bases
province = { id = 1221 points = 1 } # Hefei
province = { id = 1225 points = 4 } # Taiyuan # was 2 as it has some IC, manpower and is the capital of Shanxi
province = { id = 1227 points = 1 } # Luoyang
province = { id = 1228 points = 2 } # Zhengzhou added as it has some resources, IC and manpower
#removed province = { id = 1229 points = 1 } # Nanyang as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1232 points = 1 } # Hankou
#removed province = { id = 1234 points = 1 } # Wuhu as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1235 points = 5 } # Nanjing # was 3 as it is the capital of Nationalist China
province = { id = 1237 points = 2 } # Shanghai
province = { id = 1238 points = 1 } # Hangzhou
province = { id = 1244 points = 1 } # Fuzhou added as it has 5 manpower and some air bases
#removed province = { id = 1250 points = 1 } # Ganzhou as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1251 points = 2 } # Nancheng added as it has some IC and lots of manpower
province = { id = 1253 points = 1 } # Wuchang
province = { id = 1255 points = 2 } # Changsha added as it has some IC and manpower
#removed province = { id = 1257 points = 1 } # Hengyang as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1258 points = 1 } # Guilin
#removed province = { id = 1261 points = 1 } # Huaihua as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 1268 points = 1 } # Nancheng as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 1270 points = 1 } # Xianyang as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1271 points = 2 } # Yan'an # was 1 as it is the capital of Communist China
#removed province = { id = 1272 points = 1 } # Yuling as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1276 points = 1 } # Lanzhou added
#removed province = { id = 1277 points = 1 } # Tianshui as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 1280 points = 3 } # Chongqing as it is near worthless, it can get VPs through the China industry events should they occur
#removed province = { id = 1281 points = 1 } # Ya'an as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 1282 points = 1 } # Kangding as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1285 points = 1 } # Dhaka added as it has IC and manpower
#removed province = { id = 1291 points = 1 } # Myitkyina as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 1293 points = 1 } # Xiaguan as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 1294 points = 1 } # Baoshan as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 1295 points = 1 } # Lashio as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1296 points = 1 } # Mandalay
province = { id = 1299 points = 1 } # Rangoon # was 2 as it only has a few naval and air bases
province = { id = 1305 points = 2 } # Jinghong added as it has some metal
province = { id = 1307 points = 5 } # Kunming # was 3 as it is the capital of Yunnan
#removed province = { id = 1309 points = 1 } # Bose as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 1310 points = 1 } # Liuzhou as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1313 points = 3 } # Guangzhou # was 2 as it has 7IC, high in manpower and has naval bases
province = { id = 1315 points = 2 } # Hong Kong
province = { id = 1316 points = 1 } # Macao
province = { id = 1319 points = 1 } # Nanning added as it has resources and manpower
province = { id = 1321 points = 1 } # Hainan
province = { id = 1322 points = 3 } # Kaohsiung added as it has 2IC, 8 air bases and 10 naval bases
province = { id = 1323 points = 1 } # Taipei # was 10 as it only has 2IC
province = { id = 1328 points = 3 } # Hanoi # was 5 as it only has some IC, resources and naval and air bases
#removed province = { id = 1331 points = 1 } # Khon Kaen as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1335 points = 1 } # Nha Trang added as it has some rare materials
province = { id = 1337 points = 3 } # Saigon # was 10 as it only has some IC, resources and naval and air bases
province = { id = 1338 points = 1 } # Rach Gia added as it has some rare materials
province = { id = 1343 points = 3 } # Bangkok
province = { id = 1345 points = 1 } # Thom Buri
province = { id = 1347 points = 1 } # Kra added
province = { id = 1348 points = 1 } # Singora
province = { id = 1349 points = 2 } # Alor Star added as it has many rares and metals
province = { id = 1350 points = 2 } # Kota Bahru
province = { id = 1351 points = 1 } # Kuantan added as it has several rare materials
province = { id = 1352 points = 2 } # Kuala Lumpur # was 1 as it has many rares and metals
province = { id = 1353 points = 3 } # Singapore
province = { id = 1354 points = 1 } # Bangka Island added as it has over 20 metal
province = { id = 1355 points = 1 } # Medan # was 2 as Bangka Island deserves a VP
province = { id = 1356 points = 2 } # Dumai added as it has several rares and metals
province = { id = 1357 points = 1 } # Padang added as it has several rares
province = { id = 1358 points = 1 } # Palembang # was 2 as Dumai deserves more VPs
province = { id = 1359 points = 2 } # Oosthaven
province = { id = 1360 points = 2 } # Chengdu # was 1 as it has some IC, and 20 manpower
#removed province = { id = 1363 points = 1 } # Anshun as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1364 points = 1 } # Guiyang
province = { id = 1367 points = 1 } # Khabarorsk added as it has 1IC and 10 energy
#removed province = { id = 1371 points = 3 } # Tetyukhe as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1372 points = 10 } # Vladivostok # being kept at 10 as it is the only/main Soviet base in the area
#removed province = { id = 1373 points = 1 } # Spassk-Dalnij as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1379 points = 2 } # Harbin # was 4 as Xinjing is of equal value but has no VPs
province = { id = 1389 points = 2 } # Mukden
province = { id = 1390 points = 2 } # Xinjing added as it is the capital of Manchkukuo
province = { id = 1397 points = 1 } # Changde # was 2 as it only has some air bases
province = { id = 1404 points = 2 } # Ulan Bator # was 1 as it is the capital of Mongolia
#removed province = { id = 1420 points = 1 } # Khobdo as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1422 points = 2 } # Alma-Ata # was 1 as it has 7IC
province = { id = 1424 points = 3 } # Zhambyl added as it has over 30 rares
province = { id = 1427 points = 3 } # Tashkent # was 1 as it has 5IC and several resources
province = { id = 1429 points = 1 } # Frunze added as it has some IC
province = { id = 1433 points = 1 } # Urumqi
province = { id = 1442 points = 2 } # Golmud # was 1 as it is the capital of Xibei
#removed province = { id = 1443 points = 1 } # Xining as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1453 points = 2 } # Lhasa
province = { id = 1455 points = 1 } # Punakha
province = { id = 1457 points = 2 } # Calcutta # was 5 as it only has some IC and manpower
province = { id = 1459 points = 1 } # Ranci added as it has IC and manpower
province = { id = 1469 points = 2 } # Delhi # was 5 as it has no IC or manpower, but is the capital of India
province = { id = 1471 points = 1 } # Lucknow added as it has IC and manpower
province = { id = 1473 points = 1 } # Kathmandu
province = { id = 1485 points = 2 } # Stalinabad added as it has IC and resources
province = { id = 1486 points = 2 } # Kabul # was 1 as it is the capital of Afghanistan
province = { id = 1490 points = 1 } # Ashgabat added as it has 3IC
#removed province = { id = 1492 points = 1 } # Herat as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1494 points = 1 } # Karachi added as it has 8 air and naval bases
province = { id = 1497 points = 1 } # Bandar Abbas
#removed province = { id = 1498 points = 1 } # Babolsar as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1502 points = 3 } # Teheran # was 2 as it is the capital of Persia
province = { id = 1505 points = 3 } # Bombay # was 5 as other provinces in India deserve VPs
province = { id = 1507 points = 1 } # Hyderabad, IND added as it has IC and manpower
province = { id = 1517 points = 2 } # Columbo added as it has IC and many rares
province = { id = 1525 points = 1 } # Okhotsk
#removed province = { id = 1535 points = 3 } # Angutikha as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1546 points = 1 } # Kemerovo added as it is high in energy
province = { id = 1548 points = 6 } # Novosibirsk # was 1 as it is high in IC and has some resources
province = { id = 1552 points = 1 } # Omsk
province = { id = 1554 points = 1 } # Karaganda added as it is high in energy
province = { id = 1560 points = 1 } # Krasnoyarsk added as it is high in energy
province = { id = 1561 points = 1 } # Achinsk added as it is high in energy
province = { id = 1567 points = 3 } # Ufa added as it is high in resources and has some IC
province = { id = 1572 points = 6 } # Sverdlovsk added as it is high in resources and IC
province = { id = 1574 points = 2 } # Chelyabinsk added as it has some resources and IC
province = { id = 1578 points = 3 } # Aktyubinsk added as it has 30 rares
province = { id = 1599 points = 1 } # Iwo Jima
province = { id = 1601 points = 1 } # Eniwetok
province = { id = 1608 points = 1 } # Kwajalein
#removed province = { id = 1611 points = 1 } # Nauru as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1613 points = 2 } # Truk
#removed province = { id = 1618 points = 1 } # Ulithi as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 1619 points = 1 } # Yap as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 1621 points = 1 } # Palau as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1624 points = 1 } # Guam # was 2 as it only has some naval and air bases
#removed province = { id = 1626 points = 2 } # Tinian as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1627 points = 1 } # Saipan # was 2 as it is only a province where a historic battle occurred
province = { id = 1628 points = 2 } # Batavia # was 3 as other Dutch provinces deserve VPs
province = { id = 1630 points = 1 } # Semarang added as it has many resources
province = { id = 1632 points = 1 } # Soerabeya added as it has many resources
#removed province = { id = 1640 points = 2 } # Makassar as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 1650 points = 2 } # Balikpapan as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1653 points = 1 } # Menado added as it has naval bases
#removed province = { id = 1665 points = 2 } # Hollandia as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1670 points = 1 } # Rabaul
province = { id = 1672 points = 1 } # Lae
province = { id = 1679 points = 1 } # Port Moresby # was 2 as it only has some naval bases
#removed province = { id = 1682 points = 1 } # Bougainville
province = { id = 1685 points = 1 } # Guadalcanal # was 2 as it is only a province a historica battle occurred
province = { id = 1692 points = 1 } # Noumea
#removed province = { id = 1696 points = 1 } # Townsville as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1703 points = 2 } # Darwin
province = { id = 1712 points = 1 } # Perth
province = { id = 1722 points = 2 } # Brisbane
province = { id = 1724 points = 1 } # Newcastle
province = { id = 1727 points = 3 } # Sydney
province = { id = 1728 points = 4 } # Canberra # was 2 as it is the capital of Australia
province = { id = 1730 points = 2 } # Melbourne
province = { id = 1733 points = 1 } # Adelaide
province = { id = 1734 points = 1 } # Broken Hill added as it has over 20 metal
#removed province = { id = 1736 points = 1 } # Mindoro as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1737 points = 4 } # Manila # was 3 as it is the capital of the Philippnes
province = { id = 1738 points = 1 } # Bataan
province = { id = 1739 points = 2 } # Clark Field # was 1 as it has several air bases
province = { id = 1745 points = 1 } # Leyte
province = { id = 1749 points = 1 } # Cagayan
#removed province = { id = 1750 points = 1 } # Davao as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 1752 points = 1 } # Fiji as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 1756 points = 1 } # Samoa as it is near worthless
#removed province = { id = 1769 points = 1 } # Tarawa as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1786 points = 1 } # Wake Island
province = { id = 1792 points = 1 } # Damascus # was 5 as it is of little worth
province = { id = 1794 points = 1 } # Beirut added
province = { id = 1797 points = 1 } # Jerusalem
province = { id = 1798 points = 1 } # Tel Aviv added as it has some air and naval bases
province = { id = 1807 points = 1 } # Riyadh
province = { id = 1819 points = 2 } # Mascate
province = { id = 1823 points = 1 } # Basrah
province = { id = 1825 points = 3 } # Abadan # was 1 as it is rich in oil
province = { id = 1828 points = 1 } # Kuybyshev added as it has some IC, resources, manpower and air bases
#removedprovince = { id = 1826 points = 1 } # Esfahan as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1844 points = 1 } # Maikop # was 2 as Grozny is more important
province = { id = 1847 points = 2 } # Grozny added as it has around 30 oil
province = { id = 1848 points = 2 } # Batum added as it has naval and air bases in an area low in them
province = { id = 1850 points = 5 } # Tblisi added as it has 8IC
province = { id = 1856 points = 1 } # Yerevan added as it has 5IC
#removedprovince = { id = 1859 points = 1 } # Tabriz as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1864 points = 1 } # Mosul # was 2 as Baghdad is much more important
province = { id = 1866 points = 4 } # Baghdad # was 3 as it is the capital of Iraq and has 6IC
province = { id = 1867 points = 1 } # The Azores
province = { id = 1868 points = 1 } # Auckland
province = { id = 1871 points = 2 } # Wellington # was 1 as it is the capital of New Zealand
#removed province = { id = 1872 points = 1 } # Christchurch as it is near worthless
province = { id = 1907 points = 8 } # Baku added as it is resource rich and has IC and manpower
 
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Thanks for the copy and the work you have done!
 
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Hmm, when I tried to download the VP file behind the posted link I got a WOT warning (poor reputation of the site). Mr_B0narpte, what do you think, could you post the content of the file in CODE format in this thread? (It should be about 500 rows? which would be all right, I think. Although many have already downloaded the file...)
Very strange, I'm happy to oblige. Thanks for saying about using the [ code ] text as well, very helpful.

By the way, about giving VPs to battle sites, it still isn't clear how much support there is to this idea. (I'm rather neutral, although that's not important.)
I think at least Blecky and Autolykos support it. But if they are happy to not include such provinces, I'll be more then welcome to remove them!

Thanks for the copy and the work you have done!
You're welcome and thanks for all your comments.
 

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@Pang Bingxun: is it WAD that the Soviet industry events take away more VPs then they give? The first event takes away 11VPs while only giving 3. The second takes away 4 and gives 3.

I donnot know. But i guess it has been given some thought. And Bitter Peace increases soviet VP by adding 5 VP to new capital Novosibirsk.
 

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I donnot know. But i guess it has been given some thought. And Bitter Peace increases soviet VP by adding 5 VP to new capital Novosibirsk.
I think the new VP changes would not require any change to the Soviet industry events. But I think they should be changed nonetheless. I have edited the Vichy event so 5VPs are taken from Paris and given to Libreville and Brazzaville, to prevent Free France being annexed straight after Vichy.
 

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If a VP in cyprus helps the italian AI to not totaly ignore Cyprus it is an improvement. I had seen that that the med was pretty much controled by axis but USA used Cypprus to nuke Sofia etc.
 

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But aren't VPs supposed to represent the victory progress of a nation? Rather then being a means to improve the AI. But you're the dev so I'll give Cyprus a VP. How could the US supply Cyprus if the Axis controlled the Med?
 

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But aren't VPs supposed to represent the victory progress of a nation? Rather then being a means to improve the AI.

That is right. On the other hand Cyprus has some strategic relevance that is aso a bit under discussion in the current crises.

How could the US supply Cyprus if the Axis controlled the Med?

That was before the event to pressure Franco was included in 1.08. Therefore gibraltar was still in allied hands.
 

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While I do support the idea of VP for battle sites, I'd use them veeery sparingly. I definitely want them for Leningrad and Stalingrad because of the long and expensive sieges and all the propaganda that ensued from this, warping public opinion (and making the defeat look bigger). A lot of Germans still believe that Stalingrad was what lost them WW2. These are the only provinces for which I'm ready to defend that psychology alone should give them VPs.
If it makes you feel better, I suspect most of these fierce battles weren't fought for shits&giggles. There's usually a good strategic reason to pour a lot of resources in there, and "important battle" is just a hint to look at the province more closely. For example:
- Stalingrad is pretty much the only defensible place in a wide open steppe. Lose it and the Jerrys are running wild in your freshly redeployed IC.
- Leningrad is the last port on the Baltic the Soviets are likely to have
- Iwo Jima deserves its VP because it's a great spot for an airbase (although it doesn't have one yet)
- I was under the impression that El Alamein was the last bottleneck on the way to Suez, but that's actually Alexandria - so I'm ok with letting El Alamein go.
- I'd give one VP to Cassino with the same rationale as Stalingrad: Nice defensible location in a place that needs it. It forces the attacker into a siege or a costly assault. I'm happy with removing the VP in Anzio. While a fight there is likely and its outcome important, that is mostly caused by its proximity to Cassino and Rome. No need for even more VP.
- I'm totally unsure how to justify Kursk based on strategy alone. But SOV has lots of VP to spare and Kursk has 19 Metal.
 

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That is right. On the other hand Cyprus has some strategic relevance that is aso a bit under discussion in the current crises.
I guess so, it's 4 air bases and 2 metal alongside its economic importance in the EU should be considered :wacko: To be fair, it can be an useful province from which to launch a paratroop attack onto Suez. I'll take a VP from Blackpool or Bristol and give it to Cyprus.

That was before the event to pressure Franco was included in 1.08. Therefore gibraltar was still in allied hands.
There's an event to pressure Franco in 1.08? I didn't know that, would the Spain AI accept it? And, to me, this suggests Cyprus should not get a VP considering it most likely would be cut off if the Axis control the Med.
 

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I guess so, it's 4 air bases and 2 metal alongside its economic importance in the EU should be considered :wacko: To be fair, it can be an useful province from which to launch a paratroop attack onto Suez. I'll take a VP from Blackpool or Bristol and give it to Cyprus.

The economic importance is hardly relevant, unless you consider the symbolic value. The Airbase is the relevant part.

There's an event to pressure Franco in 1.08? I didn't know that, would the Spain AI accept it?

Yes and Yes. It triggers after BP, so Franco has no excuse to not join axis. If he does not accept germany will attack Spain to secure Gibraltar. There are small chances the AI does chose an other option. But with historical outcome of events Franco will oblige.
 

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While I do support the idea of VP for battle sites, I'd use them veeery sparingly. I definitely want them for Leningrad and Stalingrad because of the long and expensive sieges and all the propaganda that ensued from this, warping public opinion (and making the defeat look bigger). A lot of Germans still believe that Stalingrad was what lost them WW2. These are the only provinces for which I'm ready to defend that psychology alone should give them VPs.
If it makes you feel better, I suspect most of these fierce battles weren't fought for shits&giggles. There's usually a good strategic reason to pour a lot of resources in there, and "important battle" is just a hint to look at the province more closely.
Stalingrad was nevertheless a significant loss for Germany IRL, but I see your point.
- Stalingrad is pretty much the only defensible place in a wide open steppe. Lose it and the Jerrys are running wild in your freshly redeployed IC.
- Leningrad is the last port on the Baltic the Soviets are likely to have
Good points, although there is still the Volga as a defensibly position, plus (I'd hope) Germany would be experiencing supply difficulties at such an advanced position.
- Iwo Jima deserves its VP because it's a great spot for an airbase (although it doesn't have one yet)
Not really a great spot, the more southern Pacific islands are more appropriate for airfields IMO. But it'll keep its VP anyway.
- I was under the impression that El Alamein was the last bottleneck on the way to Suez, but that's actually Alexandria - so I'm ok with letting El Alamein go.
- I'd give one VP to Cassino with the same rationale as Stalingrad: Nice defensible location in a place that needs it. It forces the attacker into a siege or a costly assault. I'm happy with removing the VP in Anzio. While a fight there is likely and its outcome important, that is mostly caused by its proximity to Cassino and Rome. No need for even more VP.
If Blecky and others are ok with this, then I'll remove the VPs at El Alamein and Anzio.
- I'm totally unsure how to justify Kursk based on strategy alone. But SOV has lots of VP to spare and Kursk has 19 Metal.
I agree, the USSR does have a lot of (too many!) VPs and Kursk does have some economic worth.
The economic importance is hardly relevant, unless you consider the symbolic value. The Airbase is the relevant part.
Ok, Cyprus now has a VP (but I'll upload the new one once more edits are done).

Yes and Yes. It triggers after BP, so Franco has no excuse to not join axis. If he does not accept germany will attack Spain to secure Gibraltar. There are small chances the AI does chose an other option. But with historical outcome of events Franco will oblige.
Ah ok, good to know and I'm glad that's in the game.
 

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Well, if you do reallocate VPs due to economic/strategic importance rather than historic (i.e. WW II) reasons, you should do so consistently. Including some historic VPs just to "humor" some guys (including me) makes little sense.

BTW I´m mostly playing CORE mod anyway; I hope they don´t change the VPs there...
 

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Seems like a good initiative, as long as you remember that having even one VP left prevents the enemy from annexing a given nation. Therefore, excluding the cases when there are special surrender events, I think that VPs should be given very sparingly. This is especially important in case of smaller colonial nations like Portugal or Spain, as they should surrender when their homelands are overrun. Resisting because of a 1-VP province in the Pacific or Africa suxx. On the other hand, in some cases more VPs can make gamey tactics less effective, e.g. if a nation had just one province with VPs and you add three more in logical places, then gamey PARA attacks become harder to pull off (still not impossible, of course). Anyway, the point is that you should *always* take the limitations of the game's mechanics into account when distributing VPs.

The addition of National Unity in HOI3 was a good idea, I think. I remember all the annoyances caused by the old surrender system from HOI2 and I'm glad the devs improved the system a bit in HOI3.
 
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Well, if you do reallocate VPs due to economic/strategic importance rather than historic (i.e. WW II) reasons, you should do so consistently. Including some historic VPs just to "humor" some guys (including me) makes little sense.
Well, we can include 'historic' provinces if people want us too. I wouldn't see it as 'humoring' people, but as finding an acceptable compromise.

BTW I´m mostly playing CORE mod anyway; I hope they don´t change the VPs there...
Ah ok, may I ask: does CORE have the same VP distribution as 'vanilla' AoD?

Seems like a good initiative, as long as you remember that having even one VP left prevents the enemy from annexing a given nation. Therefore, excluding the cases when there are special surrender events, I think that VPs should be given very sparingly. This is especially important in case of smaller colonial nations like Portugal or Spain, as they should surrender when their homelands are overrun. Resisting because of a 1-VP province in the Pacific or Africa suxx. On the other hand, in some cases more VPs can make gamey tactics less effective, e.g. if a nation had just one province with VPs and you add three more in logical places, then gamey PARA attacks become harder to pull off (still not impossible, of course). Anyway, the point is that you should *always* take the limitations of the game's mechanics into account when distributing VPs.
Yeah good points. I haven't given Paramaribo a VP because of this (while taking away the VP in Caracao). But another AoDer told me Netherlands should not be annexed as it would upset the post war map, is this true? But I disagree in terms of Spain and Portugal only having VPs in home territories. Yes I agree, they should surrender if all their home territory is over-run; but that is separate to annexation. Many AIs should be much more flexible/pragmatic when making peace/surrendering.

The addition of National Unity in HOI3 was a good idea, I think. I remember all the annoyances caused by the old surrender system from HOI2 and I'm glad the devs improved the system a bit in HOI3.
Yeah it is a good idea. Too bad AoD cannot have any such thing.