Diplomats take time to move between courts; why not do the same with leaders between armies? 
What is the general cap?
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Diplomats take time to move between courts; why not do the same with leaders between armies?
I uh... weren't we just discussing that?
Diplomats take time to move between courts; why not do the same with leaders between armies?
This is a good idea, even though I always liked my teleporting generals
Hey Rommel, I hear things are quiet in the desert yes? Good. Standby for transportation to the Volga. Bring a coat.
I also think that armies which marched halfway to another province should march back first, not teleport on the province instantly. So if it'd take 30 days to get to the next province, and after 29 days you cancel the move, the army needs another 29 days to march back to the original province.
Whilst I like the idea, I'm not sure it's possible. Wouldn't that mean you can have armies in limbo? They have to be in one province or another, not somewhere in between the two.
They will still be in the province they started, only still marching. So the base gameplay doesn't change, just the fact that when you cancel a movement they don't 'snap' right away in the middle, but need time to get back.
In the warplay, it would be at all times as if they are still in that province, unless they actually finish a march somewhere.
You advance less in military technology because you hire Napoleon Bonaparte...when you already have four other generals, each with their own strategies, tactics, and demands. Some of the resources/focus devoted to your military has to go towards keeping them all in check and coordinating their actions; this is represented by a small but stacking penalty to military points.
EDIT: Apparently I hadn't refreshed this thread for a while before posting...
There should definitely be a significant unavailability timer after dismissing a general from an army.
No, you devote military resources to Bonaparte's needs, thereby depriving other areas of military importance of those resources.
I agree with this concept. Its not any more micromanaging then moving any other type of unit in the game. So it really don't add to the micromanaging load.
It was like that in EU2, you know. It wasn't so great whenever it turned out that your super-general spawned on a small island colony on the other side of the world. This was particularly fun as France and having Napoleon spawn in the Pacific.
There's also the question of what to do when an army containing a general is wiped out. Obviously it is a design decision from Paradox not to have generals disappear as soon as they lose a battle. Which is honestly quite historically accurate.
Wrote a bunch of stuff and the forum ate them with 404, oh well..
It's contrary to history and gamey, yet at the same results in terrible gameplay. We'll constantly be juggling commanders across theaters and I don't see how that's fun or balanced either.
Heck, we cannot even have the historical commander numbers available to those countries. I'm not asking for HoI numbers but just 3-4 including admirals?!!
You get one free general, not four. Many other generals also were active in wars throughout Europe during Napoleon's time and yet France was the leading power in military technology at the time. They didn't detract from the advancement of technology, if anything, they contributed to it. Napoleon didn't teleport to Americas, Spain or wherever when a battle needed to be fought. He also didn't lead those armies just by himself. Same goes for other grand military powers.
It's contrary to history and gamey, yet at the same results in terrible gameplay. We'll constantly be juggling commanders across theaters and I don't see how that's fun or balanced either.
I very much doubt that Bonaparte himself ate up 100% of the resources available to whole French commanders, including admirals. Because the game begins penalizing if you recruit just another commander.
Heck, we cannot even have the historical commander numbers available to those countries. I'm not asking for HoI numbers but just 3-4 including admirals?!!
If you take the right ideas/technologies, you can get more free generals, can't you?
Curiously, the game files show that some countries (not looking at anyone in particular, heh, France?) have huge numbers of pre-set historical generals, the same as in EU4. During the Napoleonic Wars, you have all the big names including His Majesty the Emperor, but also half the Marshalate plus lots of others. If you start the game in 1805, does it seriously expect you to either take half their batons away and fight all your battles with the Emperor, Murat, and Villeneuve or suffer a constant decrease (!) in military power? Really, I hope the leader cap is scaled to a country's base tax or something like that. Or better still, remove the leader cap and tie leader support to money, not power, like advisors (though that might give awkward situations if you have a leader who is also an advisor). I always considered power to be an abstract depiction of the political head-banging you need to do to force your bureaucracy to accept major changes; supporting a leader and his staff, even if it's Murat, shouldn't fall under that.
Isn't that just 'names' though? I mean, isn't it simply the case that there are simply more French generals in the history books compared to, for example, ottomens?
Likely. You might argue that there are more big names because the Revolution produced an unique officer corps that rewarded brilliance and boldness which is precisely the kind of character you want in your history books, while their adversaries, say, Wellington, Blücher, Kutuzov, Archduke Charles and so on were solid generals and remarkably dull fellows. In any case, you're unlikely to have much use for the preset Napoleonic generals unless you play Napoleon a lot, so from a general gameplay perspective ... well, see above.
That, and the fact that the Revolutionary officer corps was not drawn from the aristocracy, which had ensured good breeding but not good abilities.
I would let all new generals spawn in the capital. About the wipeout, you could have the general flee to the capital, much like how shattered armies now flee.