what is best buildings to have for inland capital?

[makaramus]

I love to have many counties as possible and give buildings inside them to vassals to get full benefit from seperated counties
I was wondering: should I only focus on cities or baronies are good too?

my generic strategy is simple: build many cities as possible at your own land and build baronies to your vassals
but now I am playing as hungary at 862 start wich means I am landlocked. is it still worth to build cities there? or should I build baronies instead.

 

[Serenity84]

Owning additional baronies yourself in your capital county will greatly increase your levies. They benefit from the 50% capital county bonus (25% when a vassal duke) and the marshal's train troops ability. But you don't need to go all out on more castles. I like to own 1 or 2 extra castles and then go wide

Generally cities give you more money, castles more troops and churches are a mix of them. Churches aren't great as a Catholic, but for other religions they can be quite profitable

 

[makaramus]

Owning additional baronies yourself in your capital county will greatly increase your levies. They benefit from the 50% capital county bonus (25% when a vassal duke) and the marshal's train troops ability. But you don't need to go all out on more castles. I like to own 1 or 2 extra castles and then go wide

Generally cities give you more money, castles more troops and churches are a mix of them. Churches aren't great as a Catholic, but for other religions they can be quite profitable

yea I shift church tax laws to levy heavy one
but if I understand it right income of subjects subjects dont come to me. this means city vassals have to be under my direct control to mean anything or I need to create bunch of merchant republics.
that is why I prefered to play wide and spam cities in my holdings. for more money.

by the way: do capital really have that kind of bonus? really? capital gets %50 levy bonus? didnt know O_O thats intresting information
so... build may baronies as possible in your capital and cities everywere else? is that it? (and maybe give some of baronies to vassals if you have too many)

 

[Serenity84]

but if I understand it right income of subjects subjects dont come to me

A small fraction of it does. A baron will pay a fraction of their income to their count. Then the duke gets a fraction of the count's income. And so it goes up the emperor. Having them as your direct vassal is best of course. Especially if you ever want to see a return on your investment

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Max stacking castles or temples (if you're capable of holding them w/o penalty) is nasty stuff, can levy >10k from capital county and make good money.

 

[Snake_Squeezins]

My generic strategy is this: Make sure I have one extra barony in my capital (regardless of whether it is landlocked), and then just build cities.

One extra barony/castle in your capital at the start of the game is a huge military advantage against rivals and unruly vassals. If I have to revoke or murder an existing, fully-developed barony from a vassal, okay, it's definitely worth it. But otherwise I build one extra castle, then just build cities after that.

 

[STABBY5]

Only ever build things you can hold in your capital. Bonuses from the marshal, steward and it being your capital are far too good to pass up. Plus you can focus on only its prosperity and get even more.

 

[Ixalmaris]

If you want troops build as many castles in the capital and own them yourself.

If you want money own as many provinces as you can, build cities in them and give them to vassalls.

 

[majdavlk]

if by that do you mean holding, then the best capital holding would be probably the nomadic one, even thou it does not give money or troops by itself, it provides big.buffs to your retinues

if you are only deciding between castles and cities, choose cities if you are able to create custom mercenary bands, if not then create castles

what is the benefit of separated counties you speak of?

 

[Voigt]

Having more counties->Having more Cities as Direct Vassals->More Money from them.

Personally I'd either like to stack Baronies in my captial and controll them directly if I am small, or build cities everywhere, if I am big, and need to be denctralized for all my vassals, and with that not having the demse limit for all the castles. Especially if I play with Half Demnse Limit Rule.

 

[AmpsterMan]

I find stacking baronies in your capital to be the best thing to do. Extra troops from your advisor means factions are less likely to be unruly. I prefer the stability vs any extra income from cities.

 

[knppel]

As people say, the extra barony is the way to go first of all. Even as Merchant Republic you want a castle, as it offers you the cultural retinue buff building, making your army much better, which cities (or churches) will not. On top of that the aforemention advantages- extra reserve levy with Capital bonus and Marshal training troops, in your secured capital county, will be a faster and larger early game buff than snatching a whole duchy for cheap, usually (as it spares you time from having to pacify freshly conquered land, instead giving you income and levy right away).

 

[nightgerbil]

It depends on what stage of the game your at. Early on when you rely on levies sure stack castles. Later when your running around with 30k retinues go wide and build cities.

 

[Zsrai]

Inland? I'd just go with Castles. If your capital, and at least the majority of the duchy, is coastal going cities is very good because of the extra Port building they get. When everything is inland going all cities loses a good chunk of money, so much so that I'd rather just keep the castles for troops.

 

[Zepheyr]

Inland Christian: Castles
Inland Muslim: Mosques
Coastal Anything: Cities

 

[iniudan]

Owning additional baronies yourself in your capital county will greatly increase your levies. They benefit from the 50% capital county bonus (25% when a vassal duke) and the marshal's train troops ability. But you don't need to go all out on more castles. I like to own 1 or 2 extra castles and then go wide

Generally cities give you more money, castles more troops and churches are a mix of them. Churches aren't great as a Catholic, but for other religions they can be quite profitable

Churches are actually pretty great with Catholic now if you have Holy Fury, Monk and Mystic and Way of Life. But where they truly shine is if they are build in your vassal demesne, in your own capital duchy you probably want castle or cities as your vassal, unless you plan to go with a church builder bloodline (pretty easy to keep control of the bishop as a catholic now with all the opinion boost only real exception is when the Pope is a living saint and thus most bishops have 100 opinion with him).

Churches in vassal demesne encourage stability, as bishop tend to like people with traits that encourage loyalty in the AI and dislike traits that push toward disloyalty. Thus disloyal vassal with usually find themselves with less power, as their vassal bishop will usually prefer the pope.

If those vassal with lot of bishops are max levies vassal it's taxes you are not getting anyway, thus will be more money in the pope pocket for you to beg, if they aren't the one who crowned you.

All those churches also increase chance of saintly bloodline in your realm, due to piety to liege, which since they are in your realm make it much easier to merge into your bloodline, due to demand bonus from been your vassal.


With Orthodox it is more the taxes rate you can get from bishop that make them worthwhile, with a pure church builder bloodline and been max level monk, you can get up to 85% tax rate.

 

[makaramus]

Churches are actually pretty great with Catholic now if you have Holy Fury, Monk and Mystic and Way of Life. But where they truly shine is if they are build in your vassal demesne, in your own capital duchy you probably want castle or cities as your vassal, unless you plan to go with a church builder bloodline (pretty easy to keep control of the bishop as a catholic now with all the opinion boost only real exception is when the Pope is a living saint and thus most bishops have 100 opinion with him).

Churches in vassal demesne encourage stability, as bishop tend to like people with traits that encourage loyalty in the AI and dislike traits that push toward disloyalty. Thus disloyal vassal with usually find themselves with less power, as their vassal bishop will usually prefer the pope.

If those vassal with lot of bishops are max levies vassal it's taxes you are not getting anyway, thus will be more money in the pope pocket for you to beg, if they aren't the one who crowned you.

All those churches also increase chance of saintly bloodline in your realm, due to piety to liege, which since they are in your realm make it much easier to merge into your bloodline, due to demand bonus from been your vassal.


With Orthodox it is more the taxes rate you can get from bishop that make them worthwhile, with a pure church builder bloodline and been max level monk, you can get up to 85% tax rate.

do vassal of vassal's temples give me piety too?

 

[iniudan]

do vassal of vassal's temples give me piety too?

Nope the piety only go up one level, but the extra piety your vassal get give them better chance to get a saint bloodline.

Once a dynasty got a saint their chance of simply getting a beatification get cut to like a quarter or third, thus easier to get more saint if your dynasty doesn't have complete hegemony on the realm counties.

 

[Dakilla TM]

I personally go for 1 temple, 1 barony (besides capital), and the rest are cities. I like having the extra cash.

 

[majdavlk]

I personally go for 1 temple, 1 barony (besides capital), and the rest are cities. I like having the extra cash.

then why not 7 cities instead?