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From what I hear (/read), concept artists and painters get it as well. That and "Think of the exposure".

It's a common enough experience among creative types to have a joke inserted in Witcher 3 where a wealthy Burgher tries to pay a bard for a love poem with "Experience and Exposure".
Are you trolling now? You should think about how your parents feed you.
 
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Are you trolling now? You should think about how your parents feed you.
Trolling how? If you think there aren't people trying to get artists to do shit for free because "Think of the experience", then you're sadly mistaken. Those people do actually exist, and I'm not entirely certain how pointing out they exist count as trolling...
 

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Trolling how? If you think there aren't people trying to get artists to do shit for free because "Think of the experience", then you're sadly mistaken. Those people do actually exist, and I'm not entirely certain how pointing out they exist count as trolling...
So do you thinik that hundreds of hours a month of professional game developer who has his own life and family can be used for free? You compare it with amateur or on-learning artists? Definitely a troll.
 
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So do you thinik that hundreds of hours a month of professional game developer who has his own life and family can be used for free? You compare it with amateur or on-learning artists? Definitely a troll.

I am pretty sure what he wanted to say is: There are people who try to get free stuff by using arguments like "Think of exposure and experience you would gain by giving people stuff for free!" which are very commonly given to some professions. This is a ridicule towards those who want stuff for free, not a word of support for them.
 

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Women in History.

Although, people will say that it doesn't count for some reason (hint, it's misogyny).
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We release free features in patches all the time, it's just that we don't market it as 'free DLC'.
To be honest I think you are making a mistake by not marketing it as "Free DLC" the vast majority of people is too foolish to realize that "free periodic features" and "free DLC" are the same thing so it has a different psychological effect when you don't call it "Free DLC".
And is not like it would be false advertising to call it "Free DLC" that is exactly what you guys been giving us, but just a quick look to the forums will show you that in fact a good portion of the people doesnt realize what they been getting.
 
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To be honest I think you are making a mistake by not marketing it as "Free DLC" the vast majority of people is too foolish to realize that "free periodic features" and "free DLC" are the same thing so it has a different psychological effect when you don't call it "Free DLC".
And is not like it would be false advertising to call it "Free DLC" that is exactly what you guys been giving us, but just a quick look to the forums will show you that in fact a good portion of the people doesnt realize what they been getting.

The main problem is that the free periodic features are often times coincidentally released at the same time as actual paid DLC. That and you can't really choose to de-activate most of the free features that are added.
 
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They, assuming a typical company (can't speak to gaming software from Sweden) probably have a Revenue Schedule to meet that in many companies is set by someone above them such that bonuses, profit sharing and whatever else are set by management where failure to meet the minimum target numbers more than once has consequences.

At one software company where I worked we missed our quarter mostly due to the first Iraq war causing a freeze in government contracts and the layoffs included informing a coworker at the hospital who had just had a miscarriage that she was fired so as to pay the shortest possible termination (half the development team and many outside it for the product).

Europeans seem a bit more touchy feely however and this product seems a bit more loose in its revenue cycle but capitalism mostly works about the same everywhere imo.
 
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Couldn't help but chuckle at this. But still, you make good points.
Well today's capitalism is arguably kinder and gentler than a few centuries back and I imagine that Europeans in the main do not lay people off to the same degree and with the same bottom line ferocity as has been my experience. I've never been laid off but coworkers crying and afraid for their children's futures has its effect. I'd welcome a model that worked without these downsides but the point remains that money for the salaries, bills and executive bonuses have to arrive on a somewhat timely fashion or all heck breaks lose fairly quickly. The thread topic made me chuckle a bit.
 

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They, assuming a typical company (can't speak to gaming software from Sweden) probably have a Revenue Schedule to meet that in many companies is set by someone above them such that bonuses, profit sharing and whatever else are set by management where failure to meet the minimum target numbers more than once has consequences.

At one software company where I worked we missed our quarter mostly due to the first Iraq war causing a freeze in government contracts and the layoffs included informing a coworker at the hospital who had just had a miscarriage that she was fired so as to pay the shortest possible termination (half the development team and many outside it for the product).

Europeans seem a bit more touchy feely however and this product seems a bit more loose in its revenue cycle but capitalism mostly works about the same everywhere imo.

Capitalism isn't right, Cummunism isn't right, as always the best thing is in between the extremes... My picture is that Communism has been demonished in the VS as the most evil thing out there, with that also socialism and everyone that had ideas that even remotely had some things in common with Communism was called a communist and completely destroyed. Thus getting no or rather weak worker unions and essentially giving all the power to the rich companies and capitalists. Pure communism doesn't work, it doesn't really stimulate people to do stuff when there is literally no award, but kapitalism in it's purest form means that everybody has to do everything on their own, while some things should be regulated by the state, to protect people and to actually give everybody a fair shot, not just the rich. Also it should be pointed out that some things imo can be best handled by a government that doesn't want to make a profit. After all the biggest problem with this world is that companies always need to make profit and they need to increase their profits. Sometimes a company can go bankrupt if they don't make enought profit, here a company went bankrupt because they made only 15 million profit while in the other years it was 30 / 40 million, only because shareholders lost their trust in the company... Which is insane, if you can pay everybody their salary and still have 15 million left to invest you should be seen as a healthy company. I would even say that if 1.500 people work for you and you aren't making much profit but you can keep that going for 20 years, you are doing a good job, but at that point the logical thing to do in our economy is to send 300 / 400 people home, so that you still have a profit of a few million....
 

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Well today's capitalism is arguably kinder and gentler than a few centuries back and I imagine that Europeans in the main do not lay people off to the same degree and with the same bottom line ferocity as has been my experience. I've never been laid off but coworkers crying and afraid for their children's futures has its effect. I'd welcome a model that worked without these downsides but the point remains that money for the salaries, bills and executive bonuses have to arrive on a somewhat timely fashion or all heck breaks lose fairly quickly. The thread topic made me chuckle a bit.
In Europe the world is mostly the same. Only difference is that the unions are more powerful, which shows in a heterogenous laws with the goal of softening the firing for the worker. Unfortunately that is getting more or less eaten by rationalisations.
Many companies have very strict economic demands from their large stockholders and many see a heavy downward pressure on low wages from people willing to work for almost nothing coming from eastern europe and an upward pressure on higher wages driven by headhunting. So as for capitalism, it is gentler than centuries ago, but a lot more brutal than decades ago here where social safety net is a national matter and somewhat a race towards the buttom.

Don't get me wrong, communism is terrible, but we are off topic and have lost sight of the not too well thought out OP. >:)
 
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It would be the last expansion.

Here I was hoping for more expansions after the upcoming expansion. :p Oh, well. At least EU5 will be coming.
 

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The main problem is that the free periodic features are often times coincidentally released at the same time as actual paid DLC. That and you can't really choose to de-activate most of the free features that are added.

You can usually downgrade to previous patch (pre DLC) version and play without new stuff. But yeah you cant pick some features and then discard others. Dont think that works with any game though.