What happens with colonies/trade companies when you annex their overlord?

[Autoclave]

Suppose I annex brittany, do i get their colonies as well, or they become independent? I know i get them when I PU the overlord.

How about trade companies? Those technicall directly belong to the country, do they count in its warscore? Can you even get a 100% warscore by capturing only the main provinces without those overseas?

 

[aschack]

If you annex someone, you get their CNs. Well, at least you did in 1.7, but I haven't seen anything about that changing in 1.8.

Trade companies aren't subjects as such, they're just displayed on the subject screen. If you annex a company with trade companies, the companies are disbanded and you can add them to your trade company. And you need the overseas provinces for 100% warscore too.

 

[darthfanta]

If you annex someone, you get their CNs. Well, at least you did in 1.7, but I haven't seen anything about that changing in 1.8.

Trade companies aren't subjects as such, they're just displayed on the subject screen. If you annex a company with trade companies, the companies are disbanded and you can add them to your trade company. And you need the overseas provinces for 100% warscore too.

If you also have an existing CN in the same region, does the two CN merge?

 

[No idea]

Brittany will stil live in its colonies (capital will be changed to those colonies). Basically, you dont really annex a country until you also get its colonies. Colonial nations are a different matter. IF you have gotten all the colonies as well as the Brittany territories in Europe, then they will become independent (I think, not sure). Of course, a very small Brittany, reduced to just a few provinces in Africa, cant hope to retain a big colonial nation in the long run, as independence mechanics are tied, in part, to the difference of armed forces between the colonial nation and its overlord.

 

[myrsl0ken]

No. Neither do the newly aquired colonies conform to your colour :/

 

[Autoclave]

So you will never get the colonial nations unless you PU the overlord?

 

[No idea]

So you will never get the colonial nations unless you PU the overlord?

Or you conquer them.

 

[aschack]

If you fully annex the overlord (as in, hit the Annex peace option), you will get the CNs as your own. They will not merge with your existing CNs.

If Brittany has provinces not in mainland Europe (but not part of CNs) you will need to occupy them to be able to full annex them. If instead you take everything but their capital in a peace deal, they'll likely move their capital overseas, but Brittany will still exist. I think that's what No idea was trying to say.

 

[DrLulz]

If you also have an existing CN in the same region, does the two CN merge?

Not in 1.7 - but I haven't tried 1.8. In my 1.7 France game, I had 3 CN's in some regions (mine, a portugese and a spanish one). It looked ugly as hell. I like painting the map, and that was the worst paint-job ever.

EDIT: Regarding 1.8: I've heard - and partially confirmed from experience - that acquiring CN's formed by other nations by annexing them have become much harder, because CN's now have a much larger propensity to break free from their colonial overlords, and in the wars leading to your annexation of the colonial overlord, you will invariably cause the overlord so much war exhaustion that their colonial subjects will break free.

 

[Autoclave]

If the colonies form a CN, the opportunity to move the capital there is lost, right? If you plan to move your capital, you need to do that before you got 5 colonies (the moment when CN forms), correct?

 

[redomer]

There is always the possibility of diplo-vassalization before a nation colonizes. In my game (1.8) Holland became my vassal and got their own CN. That CN became my CN upon annexation. Only the flag changed. Looks ugly as hell.

 

[Krischo]

In 1.8 when you vassalize/annex the overlord, it's colonial nations become free. I just run a game as HRE and vassalizing France made all their colonies free nations. I cannot give info about the trade companies though...

 

[DrLulz]

There is always the possibility of diplo-vassalization before a nation colonizes. In my game (1.8) Holland became my vassal and got their own CN. That CN became my CN upon annexation. Only the flag changed. Looks ugly as hell.

Technically true, but for the main colonizers (Spain, Portugal, England, France) diplovassalization is impossible unless you cut them down to size, which will ruin your relation making diplovassalization impossible. Military vassalization of Portgual and England, before they colonize enough to from a CN might be realistic though.