What happens when a religion other than orthodoxy controls the pentarch?
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A Miaphysite bishop of Alexandria will immediately hand the position over to the Coptic Pope, and a Monothelite bishop of Antioch will immediately hand the position over to his religious head as well. Other than that, I don’t believe there’s any special event.
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basically nothing I guess, there's no event for any other religion but orthodoxy in regards to the pentarchy.
Well, not quite nothing: at least Miaphysites, Monophysites or Monothelites get +0.5 religious authority per month, which on top of the holy wars you won to get there would bring you up to 100 authority pretty quick. The Patriarch of the East gets slotted into the Pentarchy system too, as a claimant to be Bishop of Antioch, which is inaccurate.
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Its pretty easy for Muslims to take the Pentarchy. Nothing remarkable happens, not even if you take the Roman seat.
Catholics will show them all together on religion screen, I think. Other than that, nothing I know of.
Catholics will show them all together on religion screen, I think. Other than that, nothing I know of.
No, IIRC, the Catholic religion screen shows the Pope and any antipopes.
Indeed it does. I've handed all 5 pentarch seats over to the Pope before, for roleplay purposes. Maybe once Paradox puts in Schism mending decision for the Catholics, it'll actually do something.
Why is seating a Nestorian in Antioch inaccurate? Where else would it be logical for them to sit, considering Nestorianism is a movement that originated in Antioch?
In Baghdad for exemble. Or Seleucia-Ctesiphon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Patriarchs_of_the_Church_of_the_East
I'm hoping for this as well. It's kinda' silly as you could argue it makes sense for the Orthodox to heal the Schism because Catholicism is, in their eyes, a splinter heresy, whereas the Pope would have less of a leg to stand on trying to convince the Orthodox that HIS way was the real way, but, for gameplay purposes, it would be very cool and would give Catholic factions a new goal to try and achieve.
This shouldn’t really be possible; I would suggest, for role-play, transferring their vassalage to him instead.
The Church of the East wasn’t founded by Nestorius, was never led by Nestorius, doesn’t fully agree with Nestorius, and split off before there even was a Pentarchy. Nestorius didn’t even speak Syriac; it was their opponents who called them “Nestorians.” Its leaders, unlike several others, do not claim the title of Patriarch of Antioch. Besides, Nestorius was a deposed bishop of Constantinople. The East Syrians lived in a different part of the world and would have had little theological or practical reason to care what was going on in the Eastern Mediterranean. What was happening where they lived would’ve been of more concern to them. The one most important contact with any Western form of Christianity in this period was probably Rabban Bar Sauma’s embassy to Rome.
Any of the cities where the Patriarch of the East historically did sit, or perhaps Edessa, would make more sense.
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What is the list of Orthodox heresies that can get their religious head? And what do you have to do to each to make that happen.
Seems a pretty powerful strategy if playing in the area to convert once you're big enough. You get a holy war CB against all of the Orthodox world. And still get your own religious head with excommunications and invasions. Good deal.
Seems a pretty powerful strategy if playing in the area to convert once you're big enough. You get a holy war CB against all of the Orthodox world. And still get your own religious head with excommunications and invasions. Good deal.
I conquered and usurped the Byzantine Empire as the Sultanate of Rum, and then went on to conquer the Pentarchy. You get the same piety-adding events as the Byzantine Empire after you conquer them, but it doesn't give you the ability to like mend the schism and declare all of Christianity a heresy or anything.
Sounds fun.
Tested it out and here's what I came up with:
Nestorianism
Miaphytism
Monothelite
Monophysite
Bogomilist and Iconoclast don't get a religious head. A few other religions might need some love too.
Religious dlc anyone?
The Catholics still need the College of Cardinals, so I'm reasonably certain a Religious DLC was always on the table.
Interesting you should say that. Historically, one side tried to heal the schism by appointing replacement bishops instead of the "heretical" or perhaps merely "schismatic" ones then ruling (IOWs, more or less doing what you do in the game to restore the pentarchy). Do you know which side that was?
This is not the place to argue over rights and wrongs from a thousand years ago, but some historians think that, and not the excommunications of 1054, were the real beginning of the schism.
There probably should be a way to heal the schism peacefully, as both sides tried to do at the Council of Florence.
I was't arguing and I didn't think SamStarrett was either...the Orthodox/Catholic schism is a subject that I don't know enough about but I find really really interesting...I don't think there is a simple answer to "who was right," or else the Catholic Church would have been stamped out as a heresy hundreds of years ago. *Shrug* So it makes no difference as far as I'm concerned, I'm happy just to spitball about all the different possible ways of looking at it
And SamStarrett, in response to you, judging from the wording of your post I'ma go out on a limb and say...the Roman Catholic Church tried doing that?? If so that is awesome, and this has to be put into the game NOW
And SamStarrett, in response to you, judging from the wording of your post I'ma go out on a limb and say...the Roman Catholic Church tried doing that?? If so that is awesome, and this has to be put into the game NOW
Yep, the Catholic Church set up Latin Patriarchs in all the other seats of the Pentarchy after successful crusades which all later become titular positions. (The Patriarch of Alexandria was always a titular position due to Alexandria never being under Catholic control).