Do they flee, are they murdered, there is a chance to keep him and make him part of the royal family?
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Yeah it would be kind of cool if they had a system like Romance of the Three Kingdoms III had, where if you are a lord and become 'landless' you kind of travel around with your entourage and goods until something comes up..i.e. new land to take over. You could even attempt to take over a province/city from the current lord who is letting you guest in their city.
But chances are they just 'disappear'....a.k.a. killed in a 'hunting accident '.
But chances are they just 'disappear'....a.k.a. killed in a 'hunting accident '.
Storing them in a tower is much better.. to be released if there is something you need them for 
It would be cool if they fled to some nobel relative in other provinces where they can raise armies and plot vendettas
GAZ082 said:
I could imagine that they'll become a part of another prince's court. Or perhaps they might even become a part of your own cout under certain circumstances. In the Hungarian AAR I think that Tamas got a court member (and named chancellor) from the conquered Pecheneg heathens.
While it could have worked for the "bandit Kings" of China, something like that would be widely unhistorical for feudal Europe - I don't think there is a single historical case of an exiled lord travelling with entourage and taking up new land or taking a land from a hosting lord by force etc.Shadow Knight said:
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Johan said:
so if i understand correctly, they run for their lives and perhaps end up in other courts... do they sometimes stay and offer services,
burning question - after fleeing do they have a memory to want back their county?
Spruce said:
I would hope so... or at least, the ruler at whose court they take refuge should get a claim on their old lands...
I thought that when they get into your court, you can give to them a new province as your vassal. If, they stay the same persons, guess they will keep their claims on their old provinces, would be great. I throw one of my unpleasent vassals out of the HRE just to see him as a polish vassal in a bad mood and a huge army !
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We are talking about taking land and making the governor swear fealty to you instead of their previous Lord, aren't we? Did I not see the Countess of... the place near Calais stay on until she was chucked out at Henry II's pleasure to be replaced by the Count of Sussex?
Edit: On the off chance someone for some reason hasn't read it, I'm talking about the Lion in Winter beta AAR
Edit: On the off chance someone for some reason hasn't read it, I'm talking about the Lion in Winter beta AAR
Johan said:
It must be experince that makes Johan so good at not answering questions completely (until the game is realesed that is)
Ironside said:
The Countess, IIRC, was chucked out and the county was made part of the royal demesne.
*checks screenshots*
Yes, Boulogne is the deep green indicating royal land.
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Priam said:
Ah, fair enough. I'm also interested by the question, therefore
Is there any historical basis for local governors staying on after his territory has switched sides, so to speak? Someone not ower loyal to the previous crown, for instance?
Don't think so.Ironside said:Ah, fair enough. I'm also interested by the question, therefore
Is there any historical basis for local governors staying on after his territory has switched sides, so to speak? Someone not ower loyal to the previous crown, for instance?
I would assume that if someone was indeed more willing to serve a new lord rather than the old one, they would have switched sides before the armies of the new lord conquered them in battle and took their castle after a long siege.
Martinus said:Don't think so.
I would assume that if someone was indeed more willing to serve a new lord rather than the old one, they would have switched sides before the armies of the new lord conquered them in battle and took their castle after a long siege.
Not willing, so much as not bothered so long as they have power, money and land and were too chicken (or whatever you'd prefer the reason to be) to stick their neck out before finding out they'd backed the wrong side. They did their bit thinking they'd fight, be on the winning team, prove their "loyalty" and be payed back at some point.
I'll take your "Don't think so" over my "I wonder" though.
Johan said:
That's nice. English exiles were frequently hinding out (rebuilding) in France.
Unrelated... I find it interesting that many of us gamers who ended up here (Paradox) have similar roots. IE: Imperialism and Koei's RTK.
However at the same time it is not all that surprising.
Martinus said:While it could have worked for the "bandit Kings" of China, something like that would be widely unhistorical for feudal Europe - I don't think there is a single historical case of an exiled lord travelling with entourage and taking up new land or taking a land from a hosting lord by force etc.
This is off topic but I believe the Bandit Kings era in Chinese history took place around 1100 AD, roughly 800 Years after the Turbulent time of the three kingdoms. The running around searching for a city was more like a prolonged battle, rather than years. It mainly refers to when Xuande was forced out of Hong Nong after Cao Cao attacked his offical holding when he found out he collaberated with the 11 man gang and the (The Jade Girdle plot) Emperor to Assassinate Cao. Xuande quickly rallied his followers and set up in fiefdom in a city given to him by Liu Biao, Xin Ye. That was attacked by Cao Cao nearly 6 years later, but that's a different story. So in CK terms I guess it would be the lord joins the court and you give him a fief and then you die your country fractures into Factions.
Johan said:
Ohh, its nice. They may end up as refugees and i suppose that the other choices are public torture followed by execution and kidnap to use him in negociations. Yeeeeahhh...