What happens to a country that is beaten and occupied?

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Is it simply annexed, or is it simply occupied until the war is over, waiting to be liberated?

For example, if Great Britain beats Germany and is able to liberate France, will France reappear, as it was before the war but weaker, or will it be incorporated to Great Britain, as in Europa Universalis?

 

[Hartmann]

Originally posted by Patriote
SNIP
For example, if Great Britain beats Germany and is able to liberate France, will France reappear, as it was before the war but weaker, or will it be incorporated to Great Britain, as in Europa Universalis?

How would you like it if the liberator can decide this?

Hartmann

 

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Re: Re: What happens to a country that is beaten and occupied?

Originally posted by Hartmann


How would you like it if the liberator can decide this?

Hartmann

I'd love that !...but can you really prevent AI from making odd decisions? Would hate to see the USA annexing Belgium

tuna

 

[Nikolai II]

Since Germany shouldn't be able to annex France, but only occupy it, I would hope that the 'liberator' cannot annex it in his stead.

Annexations would happen, but only a few within game, and all were special cases handled with diplomacy.

Else, in the scale of a decade, all you could get is occupation, the difference being only if it is civilians or military officers directing it.

 

[Hartmann]

Re: Re: Re: What happens to a country that is beaten and occupied?

Originally posted by tuna


SNIP ...but can you really prevent AI from making odd decisions? SNIP

... not me, but Johan certainly can.

Hartmann

 

[Generalfeldmarschall]

or could you make it so that germany can annex france, then if Great Britain and the other Western Allies manage to take France back they will have the option of recreating france like you can make a vassal in EU?

 

[Hartmann]

Originally posted by Nikolai II
SNIP

Annexations would happen, but only a few within game, and all were special cases handled with diplomacy.

SNIP

There are quite a few cases where during the war political borders were redrawn in the wake of a military campaign (e.g. Bulgaria getting Thesaloniki after Greece fell, Rumania getting Bessarabia after Russia was invaded ... stuff like that ... ).

The game distinguishes between the "national provinces" of a country and merely occupied ones, and one can simulate alot of stuff based on this distinction.

Hartmann

 

[Nikolai II]

Originally posted by Hartmann


There are quite a few cases where during the war political borders were redrawn in the wake of a military campaign (e.g. Bulgaria getting Thesaloniki after Greece fell, Rumania getting Bessarabia after Russia was invaded ... stuff like that ... ).

The game distinguishes between the "national provinces" of a country and merely occupied ones, and one can simulate alot of stuff based on this distinction.

Hartmann

I was hoping for something like that, based upon culture or CB shield or something. It is rather simple

Btw. Forgive me for asking, but since you always seem to be in the know and talking with THE VOICE() what is your association with the project as it runs along?

 

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Originally posted by Hartmann


There are quite a few cases where during the war political borders were redrawn in the wake of a military campaign (e.g. Bulgaria getting Thesaloniki after Greece fell, Rumania getting Bessarabia after Russia was invaded ... stuff like that ... ).

The game distinguishes between the "national provinces" of a country and merely occupied ones, and one can simulate alot of stuff based on this distinction.

Spiffy! Already drawing the boundaries of a Pan-Turkic state in my head Well there were certainly plans for one had the Soviet Union completely collapsed and Turkey joined the Axis. Need a screenshot of Caucausia & northern Central Asia badly

tuna

 

[Hartmann]

Originally posted by Nikolai II

Btw. Forgive me for asking, but since you always seem to be in the know and talking with THE VOICE() what is your association with the project as it runs along?

I'm talking with the voice of Saruman . That implies that while what I say may seem to sound like great and enlightning news, it is in fact always just a trivial recollection of the bits already known (if you know where to look ).

Apart from that, I'm your humble moderator.

Hartmann

 

[Earl Uhtred]

Now does the 'guiding hand' of the country survive enemy occupation? I know there are going to be governments in exile, but what would happen if I (frx) played Yugoslavia, got overrun by the Axis in '41 or so - would I still be in the game? Would I get to direct the resistance, solicit potential allies, command units in exile and might I reemerge towards the end of the war as Tito?

 

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Re: Re: What happens to a country that is beaten and occupied?

Originally posted by Hartmann


How would you like it if the liberator can decide this?

Hartmann

All right.

 

[jacob-Lundgren]

well as far as annaxing france if you tried that as germany every single french colony and the entire french navy will join the allies. not exactly a war winning move i would say

 

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Originally posted by jacob-Lundgren
well as far as annaxing france if you tried that as germany every single french colony and the entire french navy will join the allies. not exactly a war winning move i would say

... but a rewarding move if you succeed.

 

[jacob-Lundgren]

well as long as you dont plan on using u-boats you might be. plus you lose n. africa a lot sooner. and japan might not get indo-china without a good fight.

 

[Thanak]

trying to annex a country not of your culture would probably provoque a lot more revolt than simply occupying it.

You can't declare ok now France is part of Germany and every citizen are nice german speaking citizen and expect this to happen during the course of 10 years.

Look at Canada, the french speaking part was conquered 200 years ago and they are still speaking french and talking about their independance.

 

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Look at these guys and their fiery tanks.....
Do you really want to annex them?

"TKS tankettes near Warsaw on September 13th of 1939".

 

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i dont think the u.s would annex belgium because of the treaty the u.s and britain and about 100 other natons signed saying that they wish no terrotorial gains. the u.s were the key figure in this. would be interesting if britain annexed france could be a war

 

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Re: Re: What happens to a country that is beaten and occupied?

Originally posted by Hartmann


How would you like it if the liberator can decide this?

Hartmann

Do you mean they can decide if they become their old country? Or part of theirs? For example:

Germany conquers France. Britain invades France, kicks the Germans out. Now, they can choose to make it part of England, or make it France again? And, if I am playing a country that gets conquered, am I dead? Or can I wait to be liberated? Thanks.


Meiji-Tenno

 

[Hartmann]

Re: Re: Re: What happens to a country that is beaten and occupied?

Originally posted by Meiji-Tenno



Do you mean they can decide if they become their old country? Or part of theirs? For example:

Germany conquers France. Britain invades France, kicks the Germans out. Now, they can choose to make it part of England, or make it France again? And, if I am playing a country that gets conquered, am I dead? Or can I wait to be liberated? Thanks.


Meiji-Tenno

Sorry, but I'm not entitled to give you any specifics on these things because this would exceed the info already published. There is some very subtle not quite correct assumption hidden in your first question, though.

Hartmann