What happens if I push a fanatic spiritualist on a machine empire?

[Kinkness]

Do they literally disassemble themselves? lol...

I have the option to push my Ideology against an empire that's all machine, and I'm a Fanatic Spiritualist which obviously cannot have robot pops at all...

 

[Methone]

If you mean a Synth-Ascended empire, nothing; Synth-ascenscion removes the ability for you to have Synths as anything but Citizen Rights.

If you mean a Gestalt Machine Intelligence, also nothing; you can't force any ethics on a Gestalt. Not even the Spiritualist AE can change them from a pure Gestalt.

Also, Fan Spiritualists can have robots, no? Your faction just won't be happy about it.

 

[Kinkness]

If you mean a Synth-Ascended empire, nothing; Synth-ascenscion removes the ability for you to have Synths as anything but Citizen Rights.

If you mean a Gestalt Machine Intelligence, also nothing; you can't force any ethics on a Gestalt. Not even the Spiritualist AE can change them from a pure Gestalt.

Also, Fan Spiritualists can have robots, no? Your faction just won't be happy about it.

Actually what happens is they disappear and go poof instantly while the land is taken by one of the victors.. lol.. Just tried it..

 

[Razzlie]

This part from Nier Automata is what happens.

 

[Gaiyamato]

Yep, you can force ideology changes on anyone right now. If it is an invalid ideology it simply breaks them and they are destroyed.

I am guess the game is not supposed to be working this way though. lol

 

[Red-XIII]

Also, Fan Spiritualists can have robots, no? Your faction just won't be happy about it.

Yeah, and humans can fly without technology. Just not for long, (or not many times if for long), and mostly in the direction of gravity.

Your main faction gets pissed. Your potential allies get pissed. Your people get increased pull towards materialism which means a faction that's naturally pissed under spiritualism gets stronger while your main one gets weaker. And your synthetics can't have full rights which means they aren't going to be happy under spiritualism either.

All that means a lot of influence and happiness down the drain and for what?

And then there's tech weighting to consider. Spiritualistic government means that whatever robotic tech there's left to discover is going to be a pain to roll.

Basically if you got robots as spiritualist you're better off getting rid of either robots or spiritualism.

But if you only said so to indicate that they don't just automaticall dismantle robots, then yeah, you are correct, they don't.

 

[klopkr]

Yep, you can force ideology changes on anyone right now. If it is an invalid ideology it simply breaks them and they are destroyed.

I am guess the game is not supposed to be working this way though. lol

Yeah sounds wrong.

 

[Gaiyamato]

Also, a Megacorp, Criminal Syndicate, Gospel of the Masses, Spiritualist, Xenophile, Pacifist, can still get the ideology CB and force a normal civ to flip ethics and because they are a Criminal Mega Corp, gain the Criminal Heritage civic. Horrid game brokenness then ensues.

 

[VerKer]

Horrid game brokenness then ensues.

News...

 

[r3xm0rt1s]

Awwww that's a shame. Sounds like divine enforcer was made obsolete for purging the blasphemy of thinking machines off the face of the galaxy.

 

[Methone]

Awwww that's a shame. Sounds like divine enforcer was made obsolete for purging the blasphemy of thinking machines off the face of the galaxy.

Well I mean, the Divine Enforcer doesn't JUST enforce spiritualist pop ethics. It also kills anything mechanical, I thought?

 

[r3xm0rt1s]

Well I mean, the Divine Enforcer doesn't JUST enforce spiritualist pop ethics. It also kills anything mechanical, I thought?

But the issue here seems to be that you can push ethics that invalidate machine pops on synthetic/machine empires killing them. The enforcer can only purge the abominations off one planet at a time, strictly inferior. Or maybe I am misreading it.

 

[Methone]

But the issue here seems to be that you can push ethics that invalidate machine pops on synthetic/machine empires killing them. The enforcer can only purge the abominations off one planet at a time, strictly inferior. Or maybe I am misreading it.

You shouldn't be able to push ethics on them to instantly destroy them at all. It's a bug. Synth ascended empires have their robotics locked to Allowed and Citizen Rights, and gestalts can't change ethics at all.

 

[Mztr44]

With rebels, apparently anything can happen...