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Ive always heard France population dwarfed the other European powers for so long what Happened in the 19th Century the population of Austria Germans and even home land England either matched it or surpassed it.
Germany makes sense Germany was now unified by Prussia so the entire population of Germany was at its command, but Austria at this point had a similar population than France and the British Iles as well did the French lose a large amount of people were there low population growth I'm honestly interested.
 

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Napoleon burnt millions of troops at the beginning of 19th Century you know.
The other countries I guess catchup in medic care and life standards.

Also the agriculture revolution make other lands can feed more people.
 

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Napoleon burnt millions of troops at the beginning of 19th Century you know.
The other countries I guess catchup in medic care and life standards.

Also the agriculture revolution make other lands can feed more people.
Yes I can agree on napoleon but the also killed ton of people from the other nations also wouldn't any technological advance also have happened in France.
 

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France already has best farm land and high tech! So they are the first to be crowd. Other countries catched up.
Even if you catch up you only get the same amount as France you would have to have better medical technology to beginning out growing them because even if you catch up that only means there gap doesn't get any bigger just it stays the same.
 

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Napoleon killed a LOT of people
 

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Weren't the French early adopters of contraceptives as well?
 

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Weren't the French early adopters of contraceptives as well?

That's been suggested, but it's difficult to find evidence for it.

It did however worry French authorities enough as a reason for the low birthrate that promoting contraception and birth control was illegal until the 1960s.
 

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Yes I can agree on napoleon but the also killed ton of people from the other nations also wouldn't any technological advance also have happened in France.

Technological advances are not always even. France had a very large region of decent, arable land. Their land was settled, even if they had room for development. You mentioned Prussia, their land was unsettled backwater full of swamps and woods, and a western swathe covered in sparsely-inhabited hills. When you introduce new technology to allow land clearing and drainage it's going to help Prussia a lot more, again for the industrial revolution pulling people to their Ruhr area since it had the sweet coal mines. France already has its land cleared and populated; less room to grow.

Napoleon is also not to blame, no matter how dramatic his impact, since France was basically stagnant or behind others for centuries before him. If you look at their demographics using modern borders you see they basically recover from the black death and just hover around that amount. No way this can be blamed on one man's escapades in the early 19th century.

I blame France being ahead of the pack in the areas that matter. It's not that they failed so much as they got their first and then everyone else eventually caught up. They had their land cleared and accessible, others took time to make it suitable for settlement. They had their liberal revolution first (not counting special snowflake colonies) and were ahead of the pack on the liberties and freedoms that often led to ladies not wanting to pop out a dozen kids. The result was that nations like Britain and Prussia were seeing triple digit percent pop growth in a lifetime while France was "only" seeing a few dozen percent, during the industrial revolution. The french pop growth declined into stagnation (I think it sat at 8% for a while) while others were still enjoying it higher. Ironically, when the rest of the industrialized world (except snowflakes) started to see a massive downturn in babies and growth rate, France ended up becoming on the high growth rate side more recently.
 
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Ive always heard France population dwarfed the other European powers for so long what Happened in the 19th Century the population of Austria Germans and even home land England either matched it or surpassed it.
Germany makes sense Germany was now unified by Prussia so the entire population of Germany was at its command, but Austria at this point had a similar population than France and the British Iles as well did the French lose a large amount of people were there low population growth I'm honestly interested.

Yes I can agree on napoleon but the also killed ton of people from the other nations also wouldn't any technological advance also have happened in France.

Even if you catch up you only get the same amount as France you would have to have better medical technology to beginning out growing them because even if you catch up that only means there gap doesn't get any bigger just it stays the same.
Your posts would be more pleasant to read if you used punctuation.
 

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Technological advances are not always even. France had a very large region of decent, arable land. Their land was settled, even if they had room for development. You mentioned Prussia, their land was unsettled backwater full of swamps and woods, and a western swathe covered in sparsely-inhabited hills. When you introduce new technology to allow land clearing and drainage it's going to help Prussia a lot more, again for the industrial revolution pulling people to their Ruhr area since it had the sweet coal mines. France already has its land cleared and populated; less room to grow.

Napoleon is also not to blame, no matter how dramatic his impact, since France was basically stagnant or behind others for centuries before him. If you look at their demographics using modern borders you see they basically recover from the black death and just hover around that amount. No way this can be blamed on one man's escapades in the early 19th century.

I blame France being ahead of the pack in the areas that matter. It's not that they failed so much as they got their first and then everyone else eventually caught up. They had their land cleared and accessible, others took time to make it suitable for settlement. They had their liberal revolution first (not counting special snowflake colonies) and were ahead of the pack on the liberties and freedoms that often led to ladies not wanting to pop out a dozen kids. The result was that nations like Britain and Prussia were seeing triple digit percent pop growth in a lifetime while France was "only" seeing a few dozen percent, during the industrial revolution. The french pop growth declined into stagnation (I think it sat at 8% for a while) while others were still enjoying it higher. Ironically, when the rest of the industrialized world (except snowflakes) started to see a massive downturn in babies and growth rate, France ended up becoming on the high growth rate side more recently.

I agree with this assessment. France had largely reached the maximum population it could sustain by the late medieval period due to its excellent and easily exploited farmland. After this population growth could only be sustained by things that increased the yield of existing farms. For most of the rest of Europe there was a large capability to expand populations by bring new land into production, and any technology that allowed land to be cleared/drained/made productive will allow an expansion of population. In addition, any technology that increases the yield of existing land will also benefit the rest of Europe as well as France.

England is the outlier here, as it also had highly exploitable land and reached its agricultural maximum at the same time as France. What drove its population growth was the expansion of trade, which allowed for the importation of food, and then the early adoption of advanced agricultural technology such as seed drills, and finally industrialisation. As such England was at the leading edge of population growth. As central Europe caught up to the English in technology they also experienced massive population booms.
 

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Frances Advantage? Never heard of her. Who was this Frankie lady?

My god... It's obviously not a lady named Frankie the OP is talking about.


It's clearly Frankie Valli


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