What does this mean (from 1.09 release notes)

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This is an old thing from the beta patches, but anyhow I have never been sure I understood it. What does it mean?

"An embargoed nation's trade income from a province is now multiplied by the controllers TE% and given to the controller."

It appears to say that if nation N1 has say 2 merchants in a COT to which province P belongs and nation N2 controls this province P, then N2 somehow is "given" the basic trade value of P (this number can be seen on the province income screen) times 10% (N1 has 2 out of 20 slots) times N2's own TE.

I suppose "given" means added to D's monthly trade income (that can be seen in the income screen).

Could this be the correct interpretation?

 

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I don't see where it is mentionned that merchants in CoT have any influence.

What bothers me is the "embargoed" mention. Embargoed by who ? controller or owner ?

 

[Johan]

France has merchants in an English CoT.

England embargoes France.

For all english provinces, the trade the french should have gotten goes to England. (Modified by TE%). It used to be that they dissappeared in a black hole.

 

[Johan]

Controller

 

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Thank you, it answers my question. 'hope it answers Daniel's too.

So, that's the benefit for embargoing a nation, even when you don't own a CoT.

I suppose then that if (taking your example), england owns all provinces that trade in the english CoT, and only France is trading in the CoT (with a monopoly), then England receives all trade income without having to maintain merchants in the CoT, right ?

 

[Johan]

Thank you, it answers my question. 'hope it answers Daniel's too.

So, that's the benefit for embargoing a nation, even when you don't own a CoT.

I suppose then that if (taking your example), england owns all provinces that trade in the english CoT, and only France is trading in the CoT (with a monopoly), then England receives all trade income without having to maintain merchants in the CoT, right ?

yes.. but unless you got 100% TE you will get a fraction of what france would get. (Since england gets france trade-income multiplied with englands TE)

 

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Thanks Johan!

Ambassador, It says "An embargoed nation's trade income" and thus the number of merchants from the embargoed nation present in the COT must be part of the formula.

Assume it is the London COT we are talking about. Assume ENG controls all provinces that sends their trade to London.
Assume FRA has 2 merchants present in this COT. Assume the COT value is 1000d.

Now this means FRA would normally get 100d (multiplied with their TE) but now instead these 100d goes to ENG (multiplied with their TE).

Had FRA had 4 merchants it would have been 200d than went to ENG (multiplied with their TE).

At least this is how I understand it.

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That the embargoer must own the COT in question for this to happen is perhaps a necessary requisite but is not mentioned in the note.

Assume again FRA and ENG and that we are talking about a province in India, owned by FRA but controlled by ENG (they are in war). Does ENG take the French part of the trade income this province delivers to its Indian COT, let's say Ganges, as well? OR all of it? Assume this single province adds 50d in trade value to the Ganges COT and that Ganges is owned by Bengal. Again the question becomes: Assuming FRA has 2 merchants in Ganges how much does ENG get (assuming 100% TE)? Do they get 100% of 50d (i.e. 50d) or 10% (2 out of 20 merchant slotes equals 10%, i.e. 5d)? I assume the latter.

 

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yes.. but unless you got 100% TE you will get a fraction of what france would get. (Since england gets france trade-income multiplied with englands TE)

You mean that trade income is multiplied first by france's TE, then by england's TE, rather than only by england's TE ?

EDIT : because even with monopolies, nations still apply their TE, so france's trade-income would be (CoT's tradevalue * FRA's shares * FRA's TE). If I get your comment right, then england's income will be (CoT's tradevalue * FRA's shares * FRA's TE * ENG's TE). I see logic behind this too.

If so, in MP, it can bring rather high benefits, if both countries have well-above 100 TE...

 

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Thanks Johan!

Ambassador, It says "An embargoed nation's trade income" and thus the number of merchants from the embargoed nation present in the COT must be part of the formula.

Assume it is the London COT we are talking about. Assume ENG controls all provinces that sends their trade to London.
Assume FRA has 2 merchants present in this COT. Assume the COT value is 1000d.

Now this means FRA would normally get 100d (multiplied with their TE) but now instead these 100d goes to ENG (multiplied with their TE).

Had FRA had 4 merchants it would have been 200d than went to ENG (multiplied with their TE).

At least this is how I understand it.

Yup, I see your point. Logical.

That the embargoer must own the COT in question for this to happen is perhaps a necessary requisite but is not mentioned in the note.

Assume again FRA and ENG and that we are talking about a province in India, owned by FRA but controlled by ENG (they are in war). Does ENG take the French part of the trade income this province delivers to its Indian COT, let's say Ganges, as well? OR all of it? Assume this single province adds 50d in trade value to the Ganges COT and that Ganges is owned by Bengal. Again the question becomes: Assuming FRA has 2 merchants in Ganges how much does ENG get (assuming 100% TE)? Do they get 100% of 50d (i.e. 50d) or 10% (2 out of 20 merchant slotes equals 10%, i.e. 5d)? I assume the latter.

Based on the answers already given, I tend to assume the latter too.

 

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You know, overall a few subtle, but I think important changes here that are going to really smooth out gameplay. The blockade change is really going to make this tactic much more useful to use and more important to break. That means that continental kingdoms can't over-focus on their land forces, but must divert resources to their Navies as was historic.

Great change. EU2 Team ROCKS!

 

[Falstaff]

Great change. EU2 Team ROCKS!

Indeed