apart from unlocking the synth factories. one of which produces 1 rubber and 2 oil iirc. will the subsequent techs improve those numbers, or what else do they do?
What does the synthetic oil tech tree do?
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Perhaps make them more efficient? Instead of 1 rubber and 2 oil it could be 2 rubber and 4 oil?
I think it work like the radar techs. That is it allow you to build more in each province (but each of them have the same efficiency).
Troy in the 2nd or 3rd video researched a Refinery Improvement, perhaps I find it and perhaps it has a popup tooltip...
edit: found it on second video at 3:23, but sorry only says: Level2 in oil production :-(
edit: found it on second video at 3:23, but sorry only says: Level2 in oil production :-(
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i hope so that would allow japan and germany and even italy to compete in terms of industry
If your oil is only level 1, don't worry. Go ahead and send it to the front lines, it will level up pretty fast and soon you will have elite oil. Elite oil -10% viscosity bonus, I think.
... sorry. I could not resist.
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squirting out of your tanks when all seems lost and blinding the enemy....oh sorry that ability is granted at level 3
edit: didn´t even try to resist
edit: didn´t even try to resist
Just as with Radar it allows you to extend your oil refineries. Both Radar and Synth Oil Plants have 5 levels, with each tech unlocking an extra level. That means you can have 5 oil plants or radars in one state if you have all 5 levels researched. If you only have 2 researched you can only build 2 per state.
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So if I never research level II and put 1 refinery each in every state (provided i have enough land) it has the same effect .... hm,not so hot, unless a level5 refinery only takes one factory slot instead of 5.
edit: or does it even take a "slot" like other factories do ?
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Ok in DD23 there was Johans quote:
There are also another few buildings which are categorised as factories when it comes to rules.
There are also another few buildings which are categorised as factories when it comes to rules.
- Synthetic Refineries - which each produce 1 Rubber and 2 Oil.
- Nuclear Reactor - producing new nuclear bombs.
- Rocket Test Sites - allows deployment of rockets.
you could of course simply built 1 refinery in each state, but that will of course block off an building slot, which could otherwise be used for factories, docks, reactors or rocket sites.
Other than that atleast with radar it actually gives an much greater area of effect for the radar if you build it up to level 5, but since the effect actually stacks it makes sense to overlap multiple AoE. Below you can see the AoE of an maximum level radar.
For the synth's spreading them out will make it harder to protect them of course and you probably want them somewhere out of the way of allied bombers like in austria or bavaria for example. I dont know if there is an bonus for stacking them in one state, but i am sure that there is some advantage of it, because otherwise it would be kinda pointless. It should of course be expensive to use synthetic oil plants.
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I really dont think that synthetic oils should ever increase from giving 3 resources. Otherwise it will be more effective than simply trading for the resources and that is really silly. If you play the diplomacy game and secure sources you can buy natural oil/rubber from that should always be better than synthetics.
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Each refinery can support one, maybe two factories with resources. With technology you will be able to build more and more factories in each state so if you wan't to make heavy use of stuff that need oil and rubber you will need to develop your synthetic oil tech.
I agree
It all depends on game balance. In order to have a synthetic factory, you have to sacrifice a factory slot and you also need to commit your civilian production lines to the effort. So there is a lot more front end investment that needs return. Even at 4 resources per factory, it is not as good as trade.
Whether it is worth investing in synthetic factories is based on the countries situation. Germany or Italy, with a Naval/Trade blockade enforced by the UK/US, would rate this investment different from France being backed by the UK/US.
Agreed. My point was simply that the impact on civilian industry needed to be taken into account when determining game balance and it could be possible to have the factory produce 4 materials.
Likewise, the gain/loss on military factories needs to be taken into account. At 3 resources per synthetic factory and a 33% penalty for missing resource, it may be better to just transfer the civilian factory to a military factory and make up the production loss that way.
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Agreed as well.
But didn't you quote a tool tip in another thread that you do not gain gearing bonus if you do not have the required resources at all?
Thus if you do not have any resources, even some very expensive synthetic resources will be very useful for your production, or not?
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I did point out that tool tip from WWW#1. I also later posted a comment retracting that information. There is no way Germany can achive the production capacity in later WWWs (4-6) if that rule is applied. I believe it was a feature removed due to balance issues.
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