What does the "influence Netherland trade" decision actually do?

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As titled, playing as Germany or the UK there is a decision in which you spend 10 PP each time to influence the Netherland's trade, but I honestly have no idea what does it do, I already spend 100+ PP and ahead of the UK but nothing happen really, is it a pointless decision?
 
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As titled, playing as Germany or the UK there is a decision in which you spend 10 PP each time to influence the Netherland's trade, but I honestly have no idea what does it do, I already spend 100+ PP and ahead of the UK but nothing happen really, is it a pointless decision?

There is a certain NF in the Netherlands tree that when taken alters the alignment of the Netherlands depending on which side is 50 points ahead of the other in the bidding war.

Unfortunately it is so far down the tree that 9 times out of 10 Netherlands is conquered before it takes it.

If the NF is taken I think the winner gets their PP back but I'm not sure.
 
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It makes the Netherlands able to switch to your ideology but nothing guarantees they'll actually do that.

Moreover the democratic AI strategy plans are designed so that the Netherlands can easily stuck into them without any regard to trade influences so in this cases the Germans can only block them from joining the Allies.

I'll try to notify the devs when the upcoming patch will be online so they might include the fixes in the first or second after-patch.
 
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They actually don't do anything in current play as Germany will eat them long before they make any choice.

In Historic games Netherlands will never pick Germany and Britain is flushing away Political power by doing anything with it for the above reasons.

Shame really.
 
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It's basically a trap, at least from the perspective of playing as Germany, I'll get to that in a minute.

Britain isn't flushing away political power at all by using the trade influence decision. When the Netherlands caves to either Britain or Germany they get ALL the political power that was sunk into the trade influence. Every single ounce of political power spent by Germany, Britain, AND the Netherlands itself goes to the country it caves to, unless it maintains trade neutrality in which case Netherlands gets all of that pooled PP.

What makes it a trap for Germany is that both Britain and the Netherlands will be pumping their political power into boosting British influence, and the focus weight for Netherlands to commit to a political path seems extremely low(because them joining the allies will bypass caving to the British, while still giving britain the pooled PP). Germany can't sustain competing against the combined PP spending of Britain and the Netherlands. I've ran a few games as Germany specifically for the purpose of seeing if I could get Netherlands to cave to Germany and become fascist, and I've never been able to do it.

It's one of those systems that sounds good in theory, but actually sucks in practice. If a winner in the influence war was automatically declared by say, January 1, 1940, then the system would work way better and it would actually be feasible for Germany to buy into it.
 
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The solution is to forbid the Netherlands from going other way if German or British influence is high enough to have her turned and make her abort any current strategy plan pointing otherwise. This will make her turn soon (depending a bit on focus choice luck) as long as the influence level is maintained.

I made the fixes in house so will send to the devs to check them out when the new patch comes along.

the focus weight for Netherlands to commit to a political path seems extremely low

Not really so. It just seems that way when the current strategy plan forbids her going the influenced way. That is the problem.
 
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The solution is to forbid the Netherlands from going other way if German or British influence is high enough to have her turned and make her abort any current strategy plan pointing otherwise. This will make her turn soon (depending a bit on focus choice luck) as long as the influence level is maintained.

I made the fixes in house so will send to the devs to check them out when the new patch comes along.



Not really so. It just seems that way when the current strategy plan forbids her going the influenced way. That is the problem.


Might be worth sending before the patch so it can be put in the game with the patch. Who knows when the next one will be after BFTB.
 

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Might be worth sending before the patch so it can be put in the game with the patch. Who knows when the next one will be after BFTB.

I mean should be sent after 1.10.0.

There will certainly be a 1.10.1 and probably also 1.10.2 soon after that.

Usually the devs focus all on the new things before a new DLC release and switch to patching mode after the release.