What do you think the next Grand Strategy game will be?

[ALLAH_IS_GR8]

Vic3 is what we need. We really need a dedicated WW1, cold war or napoleonic wars game (maybe extend that too the whole revolutionary period with an American rev dlc). I doubt it anyway. Paradox games are getting weaker and weaker gameplay wise to appeal to a mass audience, I swear by Allah the next one will be some CoDish fps shooter.

 

[captainroot]

I doubt a cold war ever would be done. How would the even do that considering how everybody feels violated this day?
If you would in any way apply Paradox game model to the cold war then you would have to depict all the atrocities and awful thing that happend during that era. Every major political scandal has to be done, by parties and even by people living today.
Do China somewhat historicaly and then you are banned in the China market.

The IRA?
How would you do the Vietnam war?
The Apartheid and the ANC, should Nelson Mandela be a communist terrorist?
Should Lech Walesha be a spy for the communist regime?

I think it could be done years ago, but today i think it to hard if don't wanna recive alot hate, maybe you just wanna do a game, not being the target for NGO, politictians, forum, twitters shitstorm.

If you would make it in a allegory coldwar game in a made up world.

You're overthinking all of this. These guys made a Cold War mod for HOI4, it is constantly being updated, Paradox did not ban them and it did not cause a controversy.
Obvious conclusion: making a Cold War grand strategy game isn't as dangerous as it seems.

 

[racionador]

i was watching some assassin creed gameplay other day and i was thinking, imagine a GSG where you play not as a nation but as a secret organization, like the assassins you work on the shadows putting your agents on places to influence the kings and emperors of the countries to change history, you could start wars , sell for both sides, profit on it, you dont like the king or he not willing to work for you? start a REVOLUTION, and if things dont work right you will need to take actions to keep your agents in secret.
the game would not be about painting a map with your colors, but making sure your organization is the most powerfull and influencial in the world.

 

[captainroot]

i was watching some assassin creed gameplay other day and i was thinking, imagine a GSG where you play not as a nation but as a secret organization, like the assassins you work on the shadows putting your agents on places to influence the kings and emperors of the countries to change history, you could start wars , sell for both sides, profit on it, you dont like the king or he not willing to work for you? start a REVOLUTION, and if things dont work right you will need to take actions to keep your agents in secret.
the game would not be about painting a map with your colors, but making sure your organization is the most powerfull and influencial in the world.

How about this: Secret Government by GameTrek?

 

[Kazanov]

I am worried about Vic III purely from a hype stand-point. I cannot imagine anything delivered will live up to the mythical, amazing, and literally perfect vision of Vic III people have in their minds and the forums will melt down. And my wife will ask, "Why do you do this again?" and I'll sigh and make myself another martini. If I were PDX, and I am decidedly not, I wouldn't touch Vic III with a six-league pole.

The perfect Vicky 3 is just a revamped Vicky 2 with some QOL improvements taken from good aspects of EU4 and HOI4.

 

[Egiel]

I think it'll be about the industrial age but the name won't be Victoria. Why? Because they want to sell their games in China, and a game with the name "Victoria", the Queen of the western empire that humiliated China for decades, I'm sorry but I don't think the CPC will just be okay with that. And I'm not saying I agree with the chinese, but the fact is, it's a big market and Paradox don't want to lose that.

 

[Mr. Capiatlist]

The perfect Vicky 3 is just a revamped Vicky 2 with some QOL improvements taken from good aspects of EU4 and HOI4.

If they just released Vicky 2 with some UI and QoL fixes as a new game, this forum will burn down.

 

[Cuthuthulu]

If they just released Vicky 2 with some UI and QoL fixes as a new game, this forum will burn down.

Call it Victoria 2 Remastered

 

[Kazanov]

Call it Victoria 2 Remastered

R E F O R G E D

 

[captainroot]

I think it'll be about the industrial age but the name won't be Victoria. Why? Because they want to sell their games in China, and a game with the name "Victoria", the Queen of the western empire that humiliated China for decades, I'm sorry but I don't think the CPC will just be okay with that. And I'm not saying I agree with the chinese, but the fact is, it's a big market and Paradox don't want to lose that.

Great. Just great.

Now we have, theoretically, FOUR "Forbidden Eras" for which PDX will never make a game:
- Late Antiquity (main reasons: depiction of and the possibility of players interfering with Jesus Christ's life and persecution of first Christians being recreated by players playing as the Roman Empire)
- Dark Ages (main reasons: depiction of and the possibility of players interfering with Muhammad's life and spread of Islam ("religious map-painting") being recreated by players playing as Muslim characters/states and depiction of theological disputes of early Christianity)
- Victorian Era (main reasons: imperialism, colonialism and its consequences (including aforementioned Chinese history) and genocides)
- Cold War (main reasons: the temperature of current politics (as a result of which the game may offend social media crybabies, who conflate current events/topics/trends with events/topics/trends which were decades ago) and the possibility of "living witnesses" being offended by the game's depiction of states/ideologies/events etc. (even though some of them are old enough to remember WW2 and haven't complained about HOI4 to this date).

There was a time when PDX said that, eventually, all of humanity's history will be covered by their games. Now it seems this will never happen. Why? Because of preventive self-censorship imposed by the Internet (i.e. that one ******* living on the other side of the globe who will organise a Twitter crusade against PDX if he/she/it/they/whatever becomes offended by anything PDX publishes).

 

[Egiel]

Great. Just great.

Now we have, theoretically, FOUR "Forbidden Eras" for which PDX will never make a game:
- Late Antiquity (main reasons: depiction of and the possibility of players interfering with Jesus Christ's life and persecution of first Christians being recreated by players playing as the Roman Empire)
- Dark Ages (main reasons: depiction of and the possibility of players interfering with Muhammad's life and spread of Islam ("religious map-painting") being recreated by players playing as Muslim characters/states and depiction of theological disputes of early Christianity)
- Victorian Era (main reasons: imperialism, colonialism and its consequences (including aforementioned Chinese history) and genocides)
- Cold War (main reasons: the temperature of current politics (as a result of which the game may offend social media crybabies, who conflate current events/topics/trends with events/topics/trends which were decades ago) and the possibility of "living witnesses" being offended by the game's depiction of states/ideologies/events etc. (even though some of them are old enough to remember WW2 and haven't complained about HOI4 to this date).

There was a time when PDX said that, eventually, all of humanity's history will be covered by their games. Now it seems this will never happen. Why? Because of preventive self-censorship imposed by the Internet (i.e. that one ******* living on the other side of the globe who will organise a Twitter crusade against PDX if he/she/it/they/whatever becomes offended by anything PDX publishes).

Like I said, I don't agree with any kind of history censorship and most importantly I honestly hate the chinese regime. But truth must be told, Paradox is doing business here and although I really wanted them to just say "**** China", they won't do that.

 

[captainroot]

Like I said, I don't agree with any kind of history censorship and most importantly I honestly hate the chinese regime. But truth must be told, Paradox is doing business here and although I really wanted them to just say "**** China", they won't do that.

I hope I did not offend you. I am just angry about the situation (and want some new (i.e. NOT sequels* of) PDX games really bad).

* Victoria 3 being the only exception.

 

[Egiel]

I hope I did not offend you. I am just angry about the situation (and want some new (i.e. NOT sequels* of) PDX games really bad).

* Victoria 3 being the only exception.

No, it's fine. And I understand you completely, I just can't see vic3 happening the way we want it to be, the world today is very different from 10 years ago, today people get mad at each other so easily, this cancel culture is so stupid, it's sad, really, I just want to play my favorite strategy games, why can't sjw, china's government, etc., just leve us alone??

 

[Baron_Tom]

March of the Eagles 2

 

[BRK]

Has to be Vicky 3. I can't see a new IP, to be honest. Given how EvW or that MEIOU spinoff fared (granted - they were modder-driven, but still). Then there was that unexpected foray into Norse-themed RPG that failed. And Imperator is EU: Rome 2.0.

I admit Stellaris was a surprise. But going by recent record, wouldn't bet on a new franchise. Got to be the long due Vicky 3.

 

[Sparticulous]

Victoria 3

 

[Mr. Capiatlist]

that MEIOU spinoff

It was MM, not MEIOU.

 

[BRK]

It was MM, not MEIOU.

Oh yes, Magna Mundi, my bad!

 

[ParadoxGamerforlife]

I hope it will be Victoria III
Yes, I know I'm late

 

[Atreides]

True Talk - I had not ever considered the China angle that was mentioned earlier. It is certainly possible that King was brought on to design Victoria III, he worked on it for two years with a small team, and then the board change their mind and killed it due to cultural concerns with China.

At that point, the board approves a new project to replace it which Wiz gets assigned (2022/23 release date) and King moves on to do the economic engine for Empire of Sin.

At no point has it ever occurred to me that I might *NEVER* get to play Victoria III.
I now consider that a very real possibility.
Ugh.