What determines if a vassal is "powerful?

[Dearmad]

I searched around a bit for this and have come up empty. Is it land, men in his command, wealth, a combination?

 

[Naughtius Maximus]

Haven't checked the realm tree in a while but it's probably that. It's one of the buttons near your dynasty shield on your character screen.


Shows you their power as a percentage of your own

 

[Dearmad]

oh so it sounds like basically the five most militarily powerful vassals then. I'll check that out.

well, no that isn't it. The guy #9 in that list is still a "powerful" vassal. While #2 on that list isn't considered powerful, even though he truly could put up a bit of a fight.

Hm... I wonder what it is.

 

[BeyondExpectation]

Number of holdings, then age as a tiebreaker.

 

[StarSword]

Number of holdings, then age as a tiebreaker.

This. One of the devs confirmed it the last time this question was asked.

 

[Dearmad]

So when you have a bunch of Baron level vassals with one place each... their age determines it? Hm.

 

[Boodas]

So, ignoring all the other powerful vassal slots, if I were to give a baron seven baronies directly and gave a duke four counties the baron would be considered a powerful vassal while the duke would not?

 

[Naughtius Maximus]

Aside from the part where the baron immediately begins hemmoraging 3 of those baronies, also no.

When I first started as Byzantine emperor first thing I did was conquer Venice. Despite being only a one county duchy in a sea of Greek, Sicilian, and Anatolian duchies he still commanded a powerful vassal rank.

 

[mjohnson85]

Aside from the part where the baron immediately begins hemmoraging 3 of those baronies, also no.

When I first started as Byzantine emperor first thing I did was conquer Venice. Despite being only a one county duchy in a sea of Greek, Sicilian, and Anatolian duchies he still commanded a powerful vassal rank.

What patch was that on? The devs confirmed it is realm size first with age as a tiebreaker. It used to be max levy before last patch (which made infinitely more sense, but I won't go into that now).

Your example defies the parametersparameters the devs conformed for this patch.

 

[Naughtius Maximus]

All content DLCs, with Conclave and the lot. Maybe it was viceroyalties vs doge difference? The fact the Doge was a close member of my dynasty?

You can test this out pretty easily too. Just pick byz emperor and de jure Venice right off the bat. Dumno why but he was a powerful vassal for me up until I started to have Kingdom vassals.

 

[TheTeaMustFlow]

All content DLCs, with Conclave and the lot. Maybe it was viceroyalties vs doge difference? The fact the Doge was a close member of my dynasty?

You can test this out pretty easily too. Just pick byz emperor and de jure Venice right off the bat. Dumno why but he was a powerful vassal for me up until I started to have Kingdom vassals.

Merchant republics have a tendency to be bigger than they look. It may be that it was counting family palaces (which it probably should) and/or trade posts (which it probably shouldn't), or maybe he grabbed a bunch of cities.