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In 1920 there was. And if someone where to make a 1920s mod, then I could.
If not, I could give Armenia independance as Russia, and take back thier land.
If not, I could give Armenia independance as Russia, and take back thier land.
If I remember correctly, there was an Armenian nationalist movement in the late 1800s. Then, in the first world war, the Armenians chose to fight with the Russians. Enemy of an enemy, right? But instead of freedom, they simply became members of a new empire, within whose borders they stayed for decades.
It might seem, to an outsider, that they cared more about fighting Ottomans than they did about their country.
Of course, debates about the existence and history of an Armenian region, let alone an Armenian state, are argued to this day.
As for me, I'm thinking the Ionian to the Caspian for my own country. I can probably afford to drop Arabia. Too much trouble for so little gain within the game time period.
They where Armenian Citizens in Armenia Minor. And as citiziens they did not deserve the chete. We did not let loose the dogs of rape on our Germans during WW1!
There was an Armenian Nationalist movement in the 1880s that was instrumental i power of the Young Turks, I might add.
Anyway, I will not play a game where the OE does well. Sort of like how I cannot play a GC where Byzantium is annexed.
There was an Armenian Nationalist movement in the 1880s that was instrumental i power of the Young Turks, I might add.
Anyway, I will not play a game where the OE does well. Sort of like how I cannot play a GC where Byzantium is annexed.
Araise, you pris'ners of starvation!
Arise, ye pris'ners of the earth!
Arise, a better earths'in berthing!
The Paris Commune. Duh.
Arise, ye pris'ners of the earth!
Arise, a better earths'in berthing!
The Paris Commune. Duh.
That may seem to you, but I don't think they had much choice. Russia was their best bet, since alone they wouldn't make it.
Well, maybe they shouldn't have started their movement by killing Armenian loyalists and servants of the Ottomans. Their service of Armenia might have been in doubt at that point.
And then, seeing as though the Ottoman Empire collapsed, don't you think they would have had a chance to exist? No, they instead welcomed new conquerors--Christian conquerors, albeit under atheist flags. Again, it seems Armenia had been forgotten in simple hatred.
There seemed an eagerness to escape the infidel Muslims and live in a Christian society--their own or another. It wasn't about nationalism as we know it, though modern day nationalists have projected politics into centuries past. It would be like the Irish siding and then uniting with the French.
Sorry, maybe I just misunderstood "Death to the Turks." I should have taken it to mean "only in the light of history would I wish to see the Turks killed, but it would just be self-defense."
All I know is that when the Armenians had Russian soldiers behind them, they seemed real happy to fight the Turks. Then, when Russia collapsed from within and took its soldiers away, all that beautiful, noble spirit to be free and self-determining collapsed as well. No diplomatic venues were pursued, no widespread movement of Armenians was seen. It seemed to be simply opportunistic bloodshed. Insurrection on par with the Bolsheviks, a minority making claims for everyone.
Maybe it was supposed to be a joke, and maybe none of you are aware of this, but some innocent Turks died in that war and many others, yet despite that, I would never write "Death to the Armenians."
Completely aside from my greatly incomplete grasp on history, I guess that's what I was really about. Sorry.
Not sure which first, but at some point I intend to reconquer Québec as France, the Spanish Colonies as Spain, the Balkans as The Ottoman Empire, either Brazil as Portugal, or for some craziness, I'll conquer Portugal as Brazil. I hope I can be the California republic, or if not, I'll settle for Texas, trying to balkanize North America. Finally, I'll be the US at sometime, conquer Canada (my own country 
) and then get in on the scramble for Africa, take part of China, really conquer Iraq, and generally act Imperial.
) and then get in on the scramble for Africa, take part of China, really conquer Iraq, and generally act Imperial. 
Death to Death to BLANK posts!
And just to be on-topic: If Tannu Tuva doesn't make it into Victoria, I'll do Denmark first, of course. No more defeats in 1864 if I can help it - this time around we'll have breech-loaders, too...
And just to be on-topic: If Tannu Tuva doesn't make it into Victoria, I'll do Denmark first, of course. No more defeats in 1864 if I can help it - this time around we'll have breech-loaders, too...
Change the Scenario file and play as a Orthodox Ottoman Empire.
Hey, I did it in EU2!
Hey, I did it in EU2!
Sorry for my piece. I overreacted and forgot the first rule about Internet communication--when in doubt, expect the best about the other party. Or, when in doubt, say nothing.
As for an Orthodox Turkish Empire, it's very possible. Before the taking of Constantinople, many Turks converted to Christianity. Of course, with the end of the greatest Orthodox empire, the trend ceased and then reversed. But it didn't have to...
The USA!
A USA from panama to alaska! I would manage to get all of orgeon,take mexico,annex the phillipines,defeat the CSA,take the USA's pacific lands,annex cuba.annex puerto rico,buy santo domingo and buy alaska!
A USA from panama to alaska! I would manage to get all of orgeon,take mexico,annex the phillipines,defeat the CSA,take the USA's pacific lands,annex cuba.annex puerto rico,buy santo domingo and buy alaska!
Some quiet, out of the way nation, like, maybe, Columbia or Peru. Not that SA was quiet at the time, but I bet it will be easier than playing a Euro nation straight off.
Actually I was thinking of pulling the game back to before Greek independence. I was hoping to make it right before Napoleon lost at Waterloo, so his mod could very quickly be coming out after the game And yes I do plane on giving the Greeks the chance to claim the Empire of Byzantium. Of course the initial release will probably not have many events for them because I would like to see what some more educated people on the subject think would have happened if they had done it.........
And yes I do plane on giving the Greeks the chance to claim the Empire of Byzantium. Of course the initial release will probably not have many events for them because I would like to see what some more educated people on the subject think would have happened if they had done it.........