What countries should have "What If" mission trees; inspired by the Teutonic Order's new missions?

[Loganplayseu4]

Oh, this one I really like. Opting for a PU with Brandenburg instead of Lithuania could lead to an Imperial Incident in the vein of Burgundy's Imperial Entrance, for starters. I don't think there should neccessarily be restrictions akin to Teutons - they're there to prevent the player from using the HRE as a shield while aggressively expanding into Poland, while for a HRE Poland, the opportunity cost would be not getting the Lithuanian PU, which is already a hefty price.

Fair enough, and yea, I've always seen that path as kicking off an Imperial Incident in that vein. It'd make sense, especially since Poland would be in control of an elector at this point.
It could basically end up with 3 results:
1. Poland joins the Holy Roman Empire, eventually getting the electorship from Brandenburg in a later mission.
2. Poland is barred from joining, but can keep the PU. Poland gets a similar set of CBs to Burgundy.
3. The Empire declares war on Poland to break the union. (Emperor and all Electors who are not allied to Poland)

 

[L'Afrique]

I'd also like to see Poland get to avoid its awkward government type longer. IRL, the corrupt noble republic was a response to the Jagiellons dying out. In-game, it's a result of taking Casimir and choosing Jagiellon and the lithuanian alliance in the first place. Then as soon as Casimir IV dies it's Habsburgs all the way down.

Which is pretty strong gameplay-wise, but lacks in flavour.

 

[Reckall]

I would like a mission branch for all the Italian states which starts with "Get 150+ relations with all of them". Then, if they are also all independent (or vassal of another Italian state) an event like "Italian Council of XY" fires, the various princes agree to form a "Italian League" of mutual defense and from there a string of missions allows you to form Italy (with a choice of capitol too: maybe you start as Naples but, once you form Italy, you can choose Florence or Milan as the capitol, according to the contingent situation).

Italy never overcame their quarrels and remained divided and open to foreign influence. Going down another path would be a great what if.

 

[moscal]

1, Poland
Way PLC -> march on east, deeper colaboration with Lithuania, rivalization with Muscovy, problem of Ruthenia and orthodoxy etc.
Way of Piast -> march on west, focus on reconquiste old-polish lands, stop of ostsiedlung and germanization west-slavic lands, problems with HRE etc.

2. Russia
Way of Third Rome -> standard conquest of Sibir, ruthenian and russian lands etc.
Way of Orthodoxy focus -> after unification ruthenian and russian lands march to Balkans and Anatolia, defence rest of orthodoxy nations, restauration Byzantium etc.
Way of Baltic power -> based on NOV tree; resignation of great conquests, after united east-slavic lands focus on real westernization and build trade empire in Baltic Sea etc.

3. Castile
Way of colonialism - standard colonization etc.
Way of crusader -> great war with muslim world to liberty Holy Land and rechristianization

 

[egolend]

1, Poland
Way PLC -> march on east, deeper colaboration with Lithuania, rivalization with Muscovy, problem of Ruthenia and orthodoxy etc.
Way of Piast -> march on west, focus on reconquiste old-polish lands, stop of ostsiedlung and germanization west-slavic lands, problems with HRE etc.

2. Russia
Way of Third Rome -> standard conquest of Sibir, ruthenian and russian lands etc.
Way of Orthodoxy focus -> after unification ruthenian and russian lands march to Balkans and Anatolia, defence rest of orthodoxy nations, restauration Byzantium etc.
Way of Baltic power -> based on NOV tree; resignation of great conquests, after united east-slavic lands focus on real westernization and build trade empire in Baltic Sea etc.

3. Castile
Way of colonialism - standard colonization etc.
Way of crusader -> great war with muslim world to liberty Holy Land and rechristianization

Castile already sort of has it - you go Castile for colonization and Aragon for conquering. With Iberian wedding you end up owning both anyway.

 

[Blindbohemian]

Mission trees are a terrible feature.

These "branching" "what-if" missions have only made them worse.

I mourn what EUIV once aspired to be.

 

[Vohen]

I really think these branching missions shouldn't be abused, and are really only applicable where there's a fundamental change within the nation at play, in the case of the TO the options being mainly between secularizing or staying a theocracy.
But stuff like England focusing on an overseas empire or in Europe, Spain going for the NW or the med, Poland going east or west, etc, aren't mutually exclusive choices at all, especially if we're talking about a game where you can literally conquer the whole world, and as such can all fit in the same tree without branching.

 

[windwalker14]

EU5 if this feature stays popular. But to much of a good thing is bad. A few countries for flavor, I like.

 

[BlakFrahust]

I feel like the Timurids are an obvious one, path for going Mughal route and another for going back west, revenge on the Turks, maybe pushing to the steppes, who knows?

Timurids themselves were Turks though, just not the anatolian ones.

 

[BlakFrahust]

It is rumored that mehmed II invited orthodox scholars to discuss theology and having an orthodox mother himself he was sympathetic towards it.
Orthomans are already very popular so, you know where am I going.

 

[moscal]

I really think these branching missions shouldn't be abused, and are really only applicable where there's a fundamental change within the nation at play, in the case of the TO the options being mainly between secularizing or staying a theocracy.
(...)Poland going east or west, etc, aren't mutually exclusive choices at all, especially if we're talking about a game where you can literally conquer the whole world, and as such can all fit in the same tree without branching.

For Poland continuation union with Lithuania have means easternization, multicultural problems, create new socjal element (eg. magnateria), depolonization lesser classes, reduction power of cities, refeudalization, orientalization of culture (look on sarmatism) etc. Thid had place IRL and was consequences of way "we still want have union with Lithuania".

Without continuation of union - should be higher probability to situation, where Poland have typical, european evolution of state, economy and nation, like a France or England. Without new, many and big cultures polish szlachta shouldnt create myth, that szlacha are heirs of Sarmats and rest of population are natural slaves, so should be higher national empathy like in eg. danish.

This isnt only "select what you want conquest with support"...

 

[Styria]

Papal States to Holy Roman Empire. The Imperial and Papal factions struggling and Italy, and the conflict of ultimate authority between the Emperor and the Pope could make for a compelling mission tree for the Papal States, to ultimately establish Papal authority over a truly Holy, Roman (Catholic) Empire.

 

[MachopPower69]

Papal States to Holy Roman Empire. The Imperial and Papal factions struggling and Italy, and the conflict of ultimate authority between the Emperor and the Pope could make for a compelling mission tree for the Papal States, to ultimately establish Papal authority over a truly Holy, Roman (Catholic) Empire.

Or maybe being able to reform Catholicism so it is welcoming to other religions and maybe being syncretic enough for the Papal States to form Italy with a unique government type?

 

[Dragonquack]

Kind of a memeish thought but, since the Pope did offer Mehmed II the title of Roman Emperor if he converted to Catholicism… that would be a wild Ottoman run

 

[themrspartan]

I like these ideas but this is the realm of mods. Focus on nations with no missions.

 

[YellowPress]

Or maybe being able to reform Catholicism so it is welcoming to other religions and maybe being syncretic enough for the Papal States to form Italy with a unique government type?

Is nothing sacred to you people?

 

[Vohen]

For Poland continuation union with Lithuania have means easternization, multicultural problems, create new socjal element (eg. magnateria), depolonization lesser classes, reduction power of cities, refeudalization, orientalization of culture (look on sarmatism) etc. Thid had place IRL and was consequences of way "we still want have union with Lithuania".

Without continuation of union - should be higher probability to situation, where Poland have typical, european evolution of state, economy and nation, like a France or England. Without new, many and big cultures polish szlachta shouldnt create myth, that szlacha are heirs of Sarmats and rest of population are natural slaves, so should be higher national empathy like in eg. danish.

This isnt only "select what you want conquest with support"...

Historically speaking, this makes a lot of sense, and it's indeed an interesting "what if" scenario, but in EU4 terms, what really changes in this scenario besides "conquer west" and "conquer east", are there any deep mechanical differences between the branches? I can't see it.

 

[Dragonquack]

Or maybe being able to reform Catholicism so it is welcoming to other religions and maybe being syncretic enough for the Papal States to form Italy with a unique government type?

That mechanic sorta exists with the conciliatory council of trent I think

 

[YellowPress]

That mechanic sorta exists with the conciliatory council of trent I think

Its just opinion buffs nothing else

For Poland continuation union with Lithuania have means easternization, multicultural problems, create new socjal element (eg. magnateria), depolonization lesser classes, reduction power of cities, refeudalization, orientalization of culture (look on sarmatism) etc. Thid had place IRL and was consequences of way "we still want have union with Lithuania".

That's what happens when you are in a union for 400 years and lithuanians become heavily polonised leading to a breakdown of distinction between pole and Lithuanian, giving rise to a Polish Lithuanian identity

Without continuation of union - should be higher probability to situation, where Poland have typical, european evolution of state, economy and nation, like a France or England. Without new, many and big cultures polish szlachta shouldnt create myth, that szlacha are heirs of Sarmats and rest of population are natural slaves, so should be higher national empathy like in eg. danish.

This isnt only "select what you want conquest with support"...

And what meaningful difference would it have in game terms, monthly autonomy reduction?

 

[KAOLAWANSUI]

Persia