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I think how the aggressive expansion could have been rebalanced for AI, especially for mega-blobbers like Maurya and Rome. AI itself could have been nerfed so rebellions could be common but not as much as players.
 
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Making an actual game might have helped. I think PDX took a look at the modding community and just decided to plop down a bare-bones simulation, hoping that fans would add content for free, which PDX could take and resell at $20 a pop.
 
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Don't release a game until it's ready for Prime Time.

The entire industry needs to learn this.
 
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But games are so complicated these days, and we don't have as many resources as 10-20 years ago, besides the technology hasn't improved either so it's very hard to code in todays age.
 
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For me personally as much that i like the pop system its also very tedious to move around individual pops and as soon there is one missing the trade good production goes down which messes up the trade system
 
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With the extreme negativity around the game and PDX at launch it was never really going to recover. If you mention I:R anywhere you still get told its a shit game.
 
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The No Man's Sky development story proves you can have a full recovery arc, going from outrage and disgust to euphoria and admiration.
Yea but Hello games believed in themself

PDX didn't
 
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Yea but Hello games believed in themself

PDX didn't
It might not be (only) a thing of believing - it might be (also) related to other differences between those examples.

Hello Games is an indie studio and (correct me if I'm wrong) said game No Man's Sky is the one big game for them. Not solving this games release after the hype which was there before its release ("?", as I haven't played it or followed its development in any way) might doom the entire studio. And as it is the one game, it is also clear that all forces are directed to that game, as it is this...or nothing.

Paradox is a big publisher/developer. IR is one "branch" in their GSG game universe, among other like EU, CK, HoI, Vic or Stellaris. Its release wasn't without troubles, some effort has been made to solve problems (all the way to 2.03). If there is now for whatever deeper reasons a shortage in human ressources for development, a decision has to made which branch/games pulls the short stick - and from Paradox economical view, I can even understand their decision (what doesn't mean that I like it). They deciced to leave IR in basic, but solid 2.03 state and focussed on the games, which are even more sucessful and less of a risk. The alternative would have been cutting from the teams of another game, creating the disappointment and losses there (and they probably decided that both would have been higher in other GSG-branches). You can subsumarize this decision under "lacking belief in IR" of course, but the way I understand the decision any other move would have mean that Paradox would have "lost belief" in the alternatively targetted game (series).
 
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Just having a better design vision from the get-go could have saved the game. Everyone except Johan knew a mana-centric EU style game was going to crash and burn, tons of us made comments about it before the game launched. If we got the 2.0 version of Imperator on release it’d probably be my favorite Paradox title and I would have gladly bought every DLC for it because 2.0 is genuinely a great game and there was so much they could have done with it.
 
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Not being a EU:Rome 2, eu4 spin-off that no one asked when EU4 was still alive and which was destined to be abandoned like all those spin-offs before
 
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Working on the fix/overhaul earlier, not ignoring the resurgence in MP communities for it, and not having two or three dumpsterfire updates across other titles in quick succession which make you cut off your left pinky to somehow save your right hand.

Listening to QA volunteers at any point ever for any game may have also helped avoid a lot of the strain.
 
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They released the game before it was ready to be released. If they'd done beta testing with seriousness and released 2.0 as the actual game it'd be doing great imho.

True although we should remember that 2.0 came from the backlash and I would think fan suggestions to a degree.

So in all honestly, and I don't really like to go down this route, I'm starting to think that a better vision for the game was needed from the start. Possibly also some more awareness for other popular games and mod projects related to this era. Like EB2 as one example.

But if such had been present with 2.0 as the 1.0 then I think the game would probably still be alive today.
 
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True although we should remember that 2.0 came from the backlash and I would think fan suggestions to a degree.

So in all honestly, and I don't really like to go down this route, I'm starting to think that a better vision for the game was needed from the start. Possibly also some more awareness for other popular games and mod projects related to this era. Like EB2 as one example.

But if such had been present with 2.0 as the 1.0 then I think the game would probably still be alive today.
The 1.0 release still felt like they'd built the game on top of EU:Rome, which had been out of support for ages. I loved that game for a while way back. But, it had some serious flaws (too much assassination by foreign powers if you got much badboy score for example -- it wasn't reasonable....you were left with basically no characters at times). That they seemingly rewrote from a very old game's code rather than starting from scratch and perhaps incorporating pieces of EU:Rome suggests they kind of did development haphazardly and with the idea of simply putting something out. This is a shame to me because this period is my favorite by far. I mean, I'd be fine with having a bronze age game (the end-game enemy could even be the sea people). But, I'm not holding my breath for that.
 
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True although we should remember that 2.0 came from the backlash and I would think fan suggestions to a degree.

So in all honestly, and I don't really like to go down this route, I'm starting to think that a better vision for the game was needed from the start. Possibly also some more awareness for other popular games and mod projects related to this era. Like EB2 as one example.

But if such had been present with 2.0 as the 1.0 then I think the game would probably still be alive today.

We could say the same for Stellaris 1.0 compared to Stellaris 2.0 though. Yet Stellaris continues to be supported while the far superior Imperator is not.
Imho Imperator is better than Stellaris and I own both.

Imperator only needed some improvements on the court - personal part of the game to be in par to CK2 if not better.
Like a mix of the features found in Way of Life & Conclave DLC.

Already Imperator is far superior on country management and war/combat than CK2 and needed that bit extra only.

Maybe is the reason PDX stopped development as Imperator was going to be competing with CK3?
 
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We could say the same for Stellaris 1.0 compared to Stellaris 2.0 though. Yet Stellaris continues to be supported while the far superior Imperator is not.
Imho Imperator is better than Stellaris and I own both.

Imperator only needed some improvements on the court - personal part of the game to be in par to CK2 if not better.
Like a mix of the features found in Way of Life & Conclave DLC.

Already Imperator is far superior on country management and war/combat than CK2 and needed that bit extra only.

Maybe is the reason PDX stopped development as Imperator was going to be competing with CK3?
Stellaris fills a bigger niche. Who cares if it is still not a complete game, after being reinvented at least twice and having its core mechanics butchered so people can notice the new stuff in this last DLC (which I assume will be either the very last or second-to-last)? It has more players.

It's middling by the standards of regular videogame companies (and let's not call Paradox "indie", that's like calling Devolver Digital "indie"), but it's Paradox's third-biggest strategy title at the moment, behind Hearts of Iron 4 (because that's the most-surefire setting for Western strategy games) and EU4 (which is currently dying because the devs massively misjudged their players' patience) -- and hey, HOI4 has sold the worst of the three.
 
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