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This is a thread that does nothing but try to force the game to fit people's misconceptions about what the medieval world was like. As numerous people have shown, plenty of cross-continental, like Henry I marrying Anne of Kiev.

I saw in the OP a suggestion for making long-distance events more exciting and circumstantial, which makes total sense. Things like that were exceptions, not norms.
 

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Yes, but the AI doesn't usually execute crazy marriages. Only the player does, which itself means we're really talking about the exceptions either way.

Fair enough. But wouldn't it be cool if the player felt like he was doing something exceptional when he was actually doing something exceptional?

That's part of the problem with Empires too. They are generally world-shattering entities that are exceptional and should provoke special treatment, but instead it is very anti-climactic. The game needs more recognition of exceptional circumstances.
 

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Marriages across great distances did occur in medieval royalty, such as Agnes of France, Byzantine Empress. The Byzantine Emperor married a princess of France to secure France as an ally in Western Europe. This proposed change would prevent that, and would be ahistorical.

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You can still marry dukes/princes/kings from anywhere, representing that such higher nobles have more extensive diplomatic connections
 

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Yes... But still. I'm sure I can found counts for you, who married characters in other places. It would be just annoying. Why not simple a distance malus for marriages? That would be better as this (from my sight) stupid region system from the start post.

One exemple:
Balian of Ibelin, a French noble, married Maria Komnene, the daughter of a Byzantine doux. Yes Balian defende Jerusalem as this time... But he was never a baron or count in Jerusalem. Just in France.

Many vasalls of kings of Jerusalem were at the same time barons, counts in Europe. Or sometimes important rulers there, So this suggestion was bullshit in this times:
You can only hold demesne titles in the region and regions adjacent to the one your capital is in. (If you conquer land in distant regions, you must give said land to vassals in that region)

It wasn't uncommon to hold land in different places at this time. I don't want to give my French or Greek county to another ruler, just because I'm the king of Jerusalem.

Splitting demesn was the rule in this time.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Etat_bourguignons.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...varia-Straubing_-_Karte_Straubing-Holland.png

They mostly not has the plan to have a closed territory.
 
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There are plenty of small improvements like this I'd like to see.

One thing that always bothers me is how rulers from longstanding prestigious bloodlines who hold king rank titles for example are completely fine with marrying their princesses off to some lowly barbarian count of a remote province.

Alfred the Great is a historically significant figure and all, but in TOG start, he's still just a saxon count and yet every Carolingian king is more than happy to send their daughters off to viking riddled Britain.
 

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There seem to be too many examples of nobility (higher or lower) finding marriage matches and holding demesne well outside their "realms" for this to be effective. Some mods already makes distance and different culture penalties so drastic that it's often not worth it to hold demesne far away. What does need improvement, as nearly everyone has noted, is the AI matchmaking system. Nobles should almost never be marrying lowborn. Some mods use big prestige hits for marrying below birth, which also effectively limits play decisions. I think if Paradox used something similar I would be very happy.
 

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though regarding the OP's proposal, limiting interactions to regions is a bad idea. What if I were a count in Byzantium and wanted to get laid with the princess in the next door county in Central europe? That's basically as retarded as having a date where one is seated at half table of a cafe in Belgium and the other in the table-half in Netherlands, and the girl saying there are "borders" we cannot cross (ie. a 10 cm border).
In his defense, he did say that you could also get down with people from the regions adjacent to yours.
 

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This thread was inactive for over four months. Necromancy is one of the forbidden actions in the Paradox 10 Commandments.
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/faq.php?faq=new_faq_item

OK, I'll just start new threads where people make fun of me for not reading existing threads and then post a link back to that thread. Oh, and new players should start brand new threads for ideas or their thoughts on the game rather than simply +1 an existing idea.
 

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All in all it is a very good idea :D Woudl make the game bit mroe realistic and enjoyable :D

Only if it's a distance malus. The region idea wouldn't make it more realistic. They would make it less realistic. Like I have said:

Yes... But still. I'm sure I can found counts for you, who married characters in other places. It would be just annoying. Why not simple a distance malus for marriages? That would be better as this (from my sight) stupid region system from the start post.

One exemple:
Balian of Ibelin, a French noble, married Maria Komnene, the daughter of a Byzantine doux. Yes Balian defende Jerusalem as this time... But he was never a baron or count in Jerusalem. Just in France.

Many vasalls of kings of Jerusalem were at the same time barons, counts in Europe. Or sometimes important rulers there, So this suggestion was bullshit in this times:


It wasn't uncommon to hold land in different places at this time. I don't want to give my French or Greek county to another ruler, just because I'm the king of Jerusalem.

Splitting demesn was the rule in this time.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Etat_bourguignons.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...varia-Straubing_-_Karte_Straubing-Holland.png

They mostly not has the plan to have a closed territory.