I am a huge fan of this idea ... or some effort at regionalizing for realism and gameplay balancing. As a graduated History major (in two months) and a 460+ hour veteran of CK2, I vote "yea."
What CK2 needs: Geographic Constrictions
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it has it, at least in some instances. If you go to purpose a marriage, stay on the diplo screen of the ruler you're asking for the marriage from, it'll count down days (i think i've seen anywhere from 5-14 or so) I think the issue there is most of us probably play on speeds where a day takes a second, and by the time we register any time at all has passed, the answer has been received.
I like the idea. some thoughts though...
maybe what people you can know about could be tied to some kind of "fame", which is basically a mix of the persons prestige, the family's prestige and the persons rank (maybe close relatives ranks too). Add in a bonus for particular traits, like attractive (a famous beauty is known wider around) or swarf (if the heir to the byzantine throne was a dwarf, more people would hear about him than if he wasn't. people liked gossip back then too)
maybe tie it to to your own state intrigue as well, to symbolize your intelligence network
also, an alternative to regions could be using the same thing the republics use, ie the closer to one of your lands.
Although that would of course mean that it was suddenly actually GOOD to eat up bits and pieces of lands everywhere so that might not be so nice...
well if not, you'd need to consider watertravel more too, so iberia should border italy and britain, and france and scandinavia should border each other.
would be fun if someone could mod in partial information too, altough i suspect that would be quite difficult... but imagine finding an attractive duchess of three duchies, about 20, no kids and willing to marry normally to you when you play as the impoverished king of abbysinia or the king of aragon. since she was quite far away and your intrigue sucked, you only knew some of her traits and a general idea of her stats. so after you marry, you find that she left out her being celibate
maybe what people you can know about could be tied to some kind of "fame", which is basically a mix of the persons prestige, the family's prestige and the persons rank (maybe close relatives ranks too). Add in a bonus for particular traits, like attractive (a famous beauty is known wider around) or swarf (if the heir to the byzantine throne was a dwarf, more people would hear about him than if he wasn't. people liked gossip back then too)
maybe tie it to to your own state intrigue as well, to symbolize your intelligence network
also, an alternative to regions could be using the same thing the republics use, ie the closer to one of your lands.
Although that would of course mean that it was suddenly actually GOOD to eat up bits and pieces of lands everywhere so that might not be so nice...
well if not, you'd need to consider watertravel more too, so iberia should border italy and britain, and france and scandinavia should border each other.
would be fun if someone could mod in partial information too, altough i suspect that would be quite difficult... but imagine finding an attractive duchess of three duchies, about 20, no kids and willing to marry normally to you when you play as the impoverished king of abbysinia or the king of aragon. since she was quite far away and your intrigue sucked, you only knew some of her traits and a general idea of her stats. so after you marry, you find that she left out her being celibate
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I like this idea, especially considering a count normally wouldn't have the connections to find a wife from Anatolia, but a king or duke might.
Also I'd like something to stop the HRE from expanding into silly places without having a big penalty, like lower taxes, levies etc.
I'd also like if you had a big empire that your state stats would decrease the farther away from your capital you are. Like you're intrigue would be less effective in one of your holdings in Iberia if your capital is in Anatolia, so Iberia dukes can plot against you more effectively and rebellions will hurt more.
Also I'd like something to stop the HRE from expanding into silly places without having a big penalty, like lower taxes, levies etc.
I'd also like if you had a big empire that your state stats would decrease the farther away from your capital you are. Like you're intrigue would be less effective in one of your holdings in Iberia if your capital is in Anatolia, so Iberia dukes can plot against you more effectively and rebellions will hurt more.
+1
And constraining, e. g., Holy Wars to said regions (or dukedoms neighbouring them) would be a big +!
And constraining, e. g., Holy Wars to said regions (or dukedoms neighbouring them) would be a big +!
Does this means crusades only to Jerusalem, and the Baltic with a later start date?
hmy:Great idea! No latter than yesterday in the evening, my liege the king of France couldn't defend himself when Balansiyya (Valencia) took the nearby Toulouse; this duchy integrated for a short time the Muslim civilization. This lasted not long, but if that had been the case the Pope would have been unable to call a crusade for such a territory. Neither for any part of Italy, Spain...
very good idea imo. I feel like there is already some limitation, like I click on a character's marriage button and get one list, but then I can search the entire game's characters for an unwed person and get a much more extensive list. Haven't figured out what the parameters are, but if they made it like your idea 1) I'd know why and 2) it would make sense to me.
very nice idea
I played as king of Jerusalem and I sent my army of around 20k (templars, hospitalers and my own levy) to Andalusia. It was a target of a Crusade and I felt it was my duty to help... Anyway, while they were fighting there, I got Egyptian army of 15k at my doorstep. I of course transported my army across the Mediterranean and it was in Acre before the Egyptians could reach Jerusalem.
In most parts of the game I don't feel as a Count/Duke/King/Emperor....I feel as a God, and it kinda ruins the role-playing if I have to force myself into it.
Armies in other regions should be "kinda" out of control. You would need to send a messenger from your region, to the region where that army is. You would request that that army comes back to your region, and when it does, you take full control. This would work great with Crusades to Holy Land....
I played as king of Jerusalem and I sent my army of around 20k (templars, hospitalers and my own levy) to Andalusia. It was a target of a Crusade and I felt it was my duty to help...
Anyway, while they were fighting there, I got Egyptian army of 15k at my doorstep. I of course transported my army across the Mediterranean and it was in Acre before the Egyptians could reach Jerusalem.In most parts of the game I don't feel as a Count/Duke/King/Emperor....I feel as a God, and it kinda ruins the role-playing if I have to force myself into it.
Armies in other regions should be "kinda" out of control. You would need to send a messenger from your region, to the region where that army is. You would request that that army comes back to your region, and when it does, you take full control. This would work great with Crusades to Holy Land....
But...
Henry III, COUNT of Bar... Married Princess Eleonore of England.
With your system this isn't possible, because he is a count.
And his children:
So... One of the counts children married a a Walish count. And his other daughter married a English count/earl.
This wouldn't work with your restrictions.
Henry III, COUNT of Bar... Married Princess Eleonore of England.
With your system this isn't possible, because he is a count.
And his children:
So... One of the counts children married a a Walish count. And his other daughter married a English count/earl.
This wouldn't work with your restrictions.
One of the more colourful stories in medieval times, Raymond, second son of the duke of Aquitaine, marrying Constance heiress of Antioch, would not have been possible under this system.
I still don't see any proof for the "realism" claim the people in favor of this idea make. Medieval holdings were fragmented, and big distances were travelled. The first thing I thought of when reading the thread's first post was Bavaria-Straubing: Just look at Bavaria-Straubing in 1353 (the German name Straubing-Holland immediately gives you the right idea.).
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This. Or Frederick II. He was Holy Roman Emperor, King of Sicily, King of Jerusalem, King of Thessalonica...
Ups. Sorry I helped him... I didn't noticed that this thead was older. I only saw it on the first page.
This is a thread that does nothing but try to force the game to fit people's misconceptions about what the medieval world was like. As numerous people have shown, plenty of cross-continental, like Henry I marrying Anne of Kiev.