What changes are expected in the next big patch?

[Stug_Life]

Personally I would love to see a naval revamp for the mechanics. Last night I was playing as the UK and the German player managed to paradroped a solider into England which is fine since I didnt have enough fighters their. But, he walked the troop to a port in Wales and some how 50 German divisions managed to leave Germany and cross all the ocean to the Wale's port with 200 RN ships on convoy raid without losing a single convoy or my ships even detecting them. This was so unreal, how does 50 division cross enemy infested waters without being caught or losing a single division? That is my biggest complaint, what changes are you all hoping to see?

 

[pdx mm]

It seems to work as intended for me. Playing as a puppet Czechoslovakia I lost 12-14 divisions as they tried to cross the channel after I had dropped into Dover before I stopped the rest and I know the Germans lost people to trying to cross. Now I didn't have a navy and I don't know what kind of navy Germany rolled out but it wasn't much. The Brits were feasting on all the divisions that were in the water. Even though I lost say 14 I still had 7 that landed which makes sense to me and that was enough for me to hold that position until I could get help safely there.

 

[Stug_Life]

It seems to work as intended for me. Playing as a puppet Czechoslovakia I lost 12-14 divisions as they tried to cross the channel after I had dropped into Dover before I stopped the rest and I know the Germans lost people to trying to cross. Now I didn't have a navy and I don't know what kind of navy Germany rolled out but it wasn't much. The Brits were feasting on all the divisions that were in the water. Even though I lost say 14 I still had 7 that landed which makes sense to me and that was enough for me to hold that position until I could get help safely there.

It still seems weird that any troops can actually make it to their destination as a fleet would wipe the floor with any slow moving convoy groups. I just hope that the navy changes they make will fix this issue..

 

[pdx mm]

Yeah my only reasoning is that it is such a short trip as to why anyone survives but then again when I watch a movie that shows Normandy invasion and the fact that people did survive that landing is crazy to me. One thing I did notice is my units all seem to take different routes and that since they were spread out the Brits couldn't get all of them. Maybe that is what happened to you?

 

[Stug_Life]

Possibly, I know that this is a well know issue that people have complained about before. I had heard rumors that it had been fixed but apparently not.

 

[bERt0r]

Hmm what was your naval intelligence? Did you have air superiority and radar in the naval zones? The german doctrine also specialises in not getting detected.

Then there is the known bug/exploit of keeping the enemy fleed busy with "bait" divisions. Your whole navy engages a single transport while the other 200 start after that and slip through.

 

[Stug_Life]

I did not have air superiority in the English Channel, but Germany had no planes in the sea zone that borders Wales.

 

[Chanbara]

Every time I see a naval battle I think the same thing: Why does it take days for fleets to move in the combat window; to close on each other or for individual ships to escape? It's bad for several reasons
-Unescorted convoys should get destroyed within hours, instead it takes days, sometimes weeks for fleets to close, it's bizarre and stops multiple unescorted invasion forces from being wiped out in hours as they should be
-Naval battles are ridiculously decisive; you shouldn't be able to wipe out an entire country's navy in a couple of weeks, but that's exactly what happens because damaged ships can never escape combat
-Land based naval bombers used to be useless, now they're way too powerful, repeatedly battering fleets before they get a chance to fire on their opponents because it takes days, instead of hours as it should

 

[Kadanz]

Decisive you say? Nonsense..

 

[MatteFnatte]

Well, one thing that needs to be sorted is the crazy cannon fodder- bug where apparently Germany would only need to send like 10 division to beat the Soviet Union since the super soldiers are invincable, or the Soviets forgot to give their infantry rifles, guns, rocks, sticks, basically they don't even seem to have sling shots.

This unfortunately effects mods as well...

 

[OBRkenobi]

Yeah my only reasoning is that it is such a short trip as to why anyone survives but then again when I watch a movie that shows Normandy invasion and the fact that people did survive that landing is crazy to me. One thing I did notice is my units all seem to take different routes and that since they were spread out the Brits couldn't get all of them. Maybe that is what happened to you?

But in normandy the allies had naval and air superiority so the transport ships were hardly in any danger while crossing the strait. Which shouldn't have been the case in OP's game.

 

[OBRkenobi]

-Naval battles are ridiculously decisive; you shouldn't be able to wipe out an entire country's navy in a couple of weeks, but that's exactly what happens because damaged ships can never escape combat

This I believe, is the single biggest issue in the game right now.

 

[Secret Master]

It still seems weird that any troops can actually make it to their destination as a fleet would wipe the floor with any slow moving convoy groups.

The joke here is that just today someone else was complaining that they couldn't get troops convoys across the narrow Channel without them being tied up in convoy battles for weeks on end.

Regarding your earlier problem with even getting a chance to attack those convoys:

You might need aircraft and RADAR to help spot them. There's a crap ton of convoy traffic sailing by Spain, but I couldn't really get a handle on it until I had 1000 TACs and some RADAR set up to spot it and sink it.

Naval battles are ridiculously decisive; you shouldn't be able to wipe out an entire country's navy in a couple of weeks, but that's exactly what happens because damaged ships can never escape combat

I've seen plenty of indecisive naval battles. And I'm not talking about tiny convoy actions. I'm talking about major fleet engagements with multiple carriers on each side.

 

[epicmemory]

I don't have a problem with naval battles being decisive. The problem arises from doomstacking, so the entire USN dies in one bad battle.

There is also the incredible difficulty in modeling WW2 naval combat in a game where the entire range of naval mechanics consists of "find the bad guy ships" and "find the bad guy convoys"! Commerce raiders? I mean, how the heck do you model a German heavy cruiser out in the woods shooting convoys once in a while and make it worthwhile, and then how do you balance that out with the difficulty of having the Allied player finding the ship and killing it?

Naval combat is really, really tricky to model, especially since a single bad fight due to luck (like Midway, if I may be so bold to open that can of worms) can cost a player literally years of dedicated NF production. Make a bad division template or lose a battle in North Africa, all right, lick your wounds and keep fighting. Lose all 4 of those Shokakus you spent the last 2 years building? Hah, good luck!

I suppose the point I'm making is as follows: in a game where the player has little control over how the actual battles go (we only make division designs and operational decisions, production, etc, we don't control the battles themselves), naval combat is subsequently extremely dicey, given the large amount of time it takes to produce capital ships. The stakes are higher, so to speak. We need a lot more control over our navies with the stakes as high as they are.

 

[Gyrvendal]

I don't have a problem with naval battles being decisive. The problem arises from doomstacking, so the entire USN dies in one bad battle.

There is also the incredible difficulty in modeling WW2 naval combat in a game where the entire range of naval mechanics consists of "find the bad guy ships" and "find the bad guy convoys"! Commerce raiders? I mean, how the heck do you model a German heavy cruiser out in the woods shooting convoys once in a while and make it worthwhile, and then how do you balance that out with the difficulty of having the Allied player finding the ship and killing it?

Naval combat is really, really tricky to model, especially since a single bad fight due to luck (like Midway, if I may be so bold to open that can of worms) can cost a player literally years of dedicated NF production. Make a bad division template or lose a battle in North Africa, all right, lick your wounds and keep fighting. Lose all 4 of those Shokakus you spent the last 2 years building? Hah, good luck!

I suppose the point I'm making is as follows: in a game where the player has little control over how the actual battles go (we only make division designs and operational decisions, production, etc, we don't control the battles themselves), naval combat is subsequently extremely dicey, given the large amount of time it takes to produce capital ships. The stakes are higher, so to speak. We need a lot more control over our navies with the stakes as high as they are.

It would help a lot if we had some kind of "major naval battle ongoing" notification. It's too easy atm to lose an entire fleet without even noticing the battle. At the very least, the size/color of the naval battle notification should scale with the size of the battle and the force distribution (ie red if you are losing, green if winning like for land battles). This would give you a chance to pull out your fleet before it is wiped out or send reinforcements, etc.

 

[Riekopo]

I don't think we have any idea of what's coming in the next update.

 

[LiberiusX]

Decisive you say? Nonsense..

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Nimitz done goofed.

 

[Kovax]

Forget naval combat, I'm just waiting for the long-awaited "Nazi Zombies in Space" expansion pack.

 

[Varvs]

they should fix the faction vs faction air mechanics first. then overhaul the major nfs and then the tfv NFs and then they can try something new.

 

[Sarmatian]

Yeah, old major NF are extremely bad. They did a decent job with TFV and DOD foci. Some NF to cover alternate scenarios would be great, and some simply becoming unavailable if political reality change. Germany is not fascist anymore? No access to Anschluss...