What are you guys going to do when

[Poleaxe]

Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong

To be quite frank it was nothing to do with people buying HoI3 at $7.99, in fact those people in no way influnced our decisions regarding Victoria 2. It was the people who bought HoI3 at full price, our most important and valuable customers, the ones we actually care about that mattered.

My guess is that this post is why you don't generally see Developers from other companies post on their forums. I say this without anger or malice. I'm just pointing out that while a customer may or may not buy a game at full price, this does not mean he hasn't done so in the past or won't do so in the future. Probably a bad idea to start separating the customer base by level of importance.

 

[emperorcharlesV]

If we can actually start asking questions again....

Will the surrender events that were buggy be addressed in the expansion?

 

[TheLoneGunman]

If we can actually start asking questions again....

Will the surrender events that were buggy be addressed in the expansion?

Well they're not so much buggy as they are inflexible.

I'd like a broader range of options regarding surrender though, and agree that most times the results make no sense for a game that has prided itself on being a sandbox simulation of war with the only option being unconditional surrender.

 

[sventek]

I think I won't be getting SF until some time passes and reviews start going around. In fact, as much as I like Paradox games, I felt very dissapointed with HOI3 at release, so I will wait until SF gets a discount. Sorry if this makes me a second-rate customer.

Only if everybody agrees SF makes HOI3 what it should have been, I will pay full price.

I hope SF really shines and that the bad HOI3 release was just a bad dream and Paradox continues to release great games.

Regards
Ignacio

 

[Modo]

Well they're not so much buggy as they are inflexible.

How does causing pretty consistent crashes not constitute a bug?

 

[PrivateJoh]

You think the devs make nearly anything when the game gets sold for 7.99?

Well, these days every product losses value rapidly (not only computer games). More so if the consensus of the market about said product is not that good, which is generally set by the first impressions.

In any case, I would guess that, in the overall picture, people buying HoI3 for 10-20$ make around 75% of the market, whereas 30-40$ are paid by less than 10%. Eventually, this mid range price is where PI finds most of their income.

In the same lines, registered users in this forum probably do not represent even a 10-15% of players. So PI will listen to us as long as our suggestions do not collide with, what they consider, the desires of this majority of casual players (note here the arcade mode introduced in SF).

 

[Slan]

How does causing pretty consistent crashes not constitute a bug?

The crash is not caused by the events themselves, actually. It is caused by firing the event at midnight with a lot of stuff happening at the same time. If you fire the event manually an hour earlier, it will work just fine. (It will work differently from how it should, though. The surrender mechanic has its own effects.)

 

[Modo]

Like a player gives a flying you-know-what about the specific reason. The game engine is written in a way that often causes crashes when surrender events happen. Would you like to call it a feature now?

 

[Slan]

Like a player gives a flying you-know-what about the specific reason. The game engine is written in a way that often causes crashes when surrender events happen. Would you like to call it a feature now?

No, of course not. But we were bashing the surrender events, not the engine
Anyway, most of the 'midnight-tasks' will be spread out for the whole day in Semper Fi, and hopefully that will pervent the crash.

 

[Wildy]

I'm shocked! Shocked!

"Here are your winnings sir":rofl:

Aaah my favorite part from my favorite movie.

Back to the topic, i've pre-ordered it, going to install it but not going to play immediately since i don't have much time to play hoi3.
Only pre-ordered it for the 250 free blue coins. Might as well get some now rather than buy semper fi later and not get them.

 

[NAG]

Going to get it later, I don't buy expansions straight away, I wait for sale. Also, I have exam session this month, so no time to play HoI3 anyway.

 

[Tortuga Power]

I plan on waiting for a bit too. I don't have the money at this moment. It would be nice to get it immediately, and someone even offered to buy it for me! (I love the MP community I'm a part of )

I want to see the bug status in SF. There are a lot of little bugs left in the game as of 1.4, none of them game-breaking, and most of them trivial, but I'm not sure how well monitored the bug report forum is/has been. I also want to see if supply was tweaked at all to help out. There are some conditions that supply is ruining games, and I don't mean because of unrealistic demands on the supply system.

 

[journ21]

Well we're the ones that actually put food on their tables.

You think the devs make nearly anything when the game gets sold for 7.99?

They make the same percentage that they would when it sold for 39.99.

probably 70/30 maybe 80/20.... maybe...

What paradox should know by now is that a game gets sold at its proper value, 5.99 or 7.99 HOI 3 was its value.

7.99 to sell a digital copy of a game is fairly good money when you sell 50,000 copies or more. You people always thinking "raise the price of HOI series to 89.99 , we will pay!!" Economics of the digital distribution industry dont work like that. You are getting data over the internet in exchange for money. There are few costs involved other than bandwith.

so a developer selling a game at 7.99, and getting 70% of the money from each sale really isnt doing bad if its a popular game. However, If the dev's didnt develop the game in the correct manner? Maybe it wont be popular and they could drop the price to 1.99 and it still wouldnt sell. (for example, moo3 within 3 months of release was being sold for 19.99 with a 20 dollar rebate on Amazon.com)

Kings comment about caring about the customers that bought into the hype for his product and paid full price is disturbing.

If the game was solid enough contender at release the price would never have dropped so quickly. (IIRC it hit 19.99 in a month?). Good Games generally keep their pricing higher since there is demand and no reason to drop the price to keep game sales up.

Anyways what im getting at is, you still got the 70% of each sale at 7.99, a customer is a customer and they are hard to please when they feel ripped off.

 

[Herbinator]

I plan on waiting for a bit too. I don't have the money at this moment.

It's less than the price of one of your sewer pizzas. And you get blue tokens, too! And don't forget having the little SF emblem five days before game release. To die for.

The MP community will probably be using SF right from the git-go.

 

[plasticpanzers]

wait for you folks with high speed internet connections to get it and review it.
then i can settle down for a 5 night download at dialup if it proves to be an
major improvement over the stock HOI3. Still would use DDays mod on top
of it.

 

[xtfoster]

Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong

To be quite frank it was nothing to do with people buying HoI3 at $7.99, in fact those people in no way influnced our decisions regarding Victoria 2. It was the people who bought HoI3 at full price, our most important and valuable customers, the ones we actually care about that mattered.

I pre-ordered HOI3, and while I was disappointed with it at release, it was far from "completely broken" as some on these forums like to claim. I have gotten well over 100 hours of enjoyment out of the game (which is nowhere near the amount of time I have played HOI2), and feel that I have gotten (more than) my money's worth. I have also ordered Semper Fi and hope to get at least as much enjoyment out of it.

While I won't be buying Vicky 2 (at least not pre-order), it isn't because I have problems with Paradox's business practices...it simply comes down to the fact that I have never been able to enjoy/get into Vicky, so why would I?

 

[xtfoster]

wait for you folks with high speed internet connections to get it and review it.
then i can settle down for a 5 night download at dialup if it proves to be an
major improvement over the stock HOI3. Still would use DDays mod on top
of it.

This is probably the best reason to not pre-order the game that I have seen except for "I don't have the money right now"

 

[unmerged(55512)]

I'll wait to hear how things go from those that do buy.
Then I'll have to wait for a major discount on Steam or somewhere, as HOI3 was a big headache for me, and I don't want to pay full price for both games.
I haven't researched/read enough, but I assume there is no discount for HOI3 owners? There should be, and if there was, I'd buy Semper on release day just out of respect for the nod to the community saying "sorry for rushing that one".

 

[numdydar]

Pre ordered

It's less than the price of one of your sewer pizzas. And you get blue tokens, too! And don't forget having the little SF emblem five days before game release. To die for.

The MP community will probably be using SF right from the git-go.

Like me I got the emblem too.

 

[unmerged(159799)]

We bought Hoi3 in good faith and it never did run correctly. Now they want to "sell" us the fix. So, who is actually stealing from who?