What are the top badass countries of WW2?

[TheRomanRuler]

Interesting definition of "helping". If you mean "preventing them from defecting to the Allies by occupying them directly", then perhaps that's "helping".

Those SS units weren't "defending" an ally out of altruistic concern, they were enforcing Hitler's orders to see a particular operation carried through before the Soviets could interfere. We're not allowed to discuss that operation here. The Hungarians didn't want the Germans in Budapest, not that they wanted the Soviets either.

Of course, if you want to add being "bad" and "asses" at the same time, Germany might qualify.

Not sure if there is anything i can say in these forums.

You think too much about motives. Motive does not mean anything, as everyone is always trying to fight evil and be good guys. Every Nazi was thinking that, like Communists and everyone else on planet. And most SS volunteered to fight communism, not to fight for Nazis. So what matters to me here is that Germans were defending Hungary, if unwilling ally, against Soviet Union, their common enemy. Any other operations in the area don`t have any military importance.
I think you are thinking with your heart, how ever golden and pure that may be, it is not objective.

 

[gamedude]

In fairness though, Denmark boasted, what, the equivalent of a single division? There really wasn't all that much that could have been done.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_invasion_of_Denmark_(1940)

They did more damage against Germany though.

 

[TheRomanRuler]

Sticking by your allies?

• UK
• India

Does India count? It was not independent.

UK. Well, it did do it`s best, i agree with that, even if it was unable to help Poland or Norway. UK did do a lot, and attempted to do even more, like arming Europeans, helping them fight axis. There were plenty of interesting cheap weapon concepts made during the war.

 

[gamedude]

Does India count? It was not independent.

UK. Well, it did do it`s best, i agree with that, even if it was unable to help Poland or Norway. UK did do a lot, and attempted to do even more, like arming Europeans, helping them fight axis.

UK kinda fucked up early in the war AFAIK. Leaders doing some bad decisions in Asia. They helped Norway in Narvik which is probably known as the biggest naval graveyard. And then decided to bail for some reason.

 

[TheRomanRuler]

UK kinda fucked up early in the war AFAIK. Leaders doing some bad decisions in Asia. They helped Norway in Narvik which is probably known as the biggest naval graveyard. And then decided to bail for some reason.

I think there was no reason defending Norway any more, as it only would have cost more lives on every side. After retreating, fighting in Norway ended. So i guess it was good that allies withdraw from Norway? Maybe it saved more Norweigian lives than long war in Norway would have.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_invasion_of_Denmark_(1940)

They did more damage against Germany though.

Interestingly, 4 000 Danes died fighting against Soviet Union under Germans, but only 44 died while defending Denmark against Germany. And I believe almost as many Danes served under Germany than defended Denmark against Germans.

 

[PanosB3]

1.

Counter offensive against Soviet Union. Soviet Union is invading Hungary. So is it not defending Hungary?

2 & 3. As often as SS was used to die while others would retreat. Meat shields are valid military tactic, Germans also used weaker German units as meat shields. So what is your point?

4. I don`t understand the confusion here. I already understood my point of view. Can you tell me time when Germany would have betrayed her ally?

I still don't understand why you think Germany cared about her allies.... besides the oil in Ploesti and friendship with Mussolini, Nazi Germany hardly cared about Bulgaria-finland-hungary etc unless they would send all of their troops to the eastern front.
On a previous post you mentioned Germany cared to defend other countries even when their capital fell..... which is the most idiotic thing I've ever heard, its obvious that the units stationed in hungary couldn't reach berlin in time or simply didn't have any means to reach there.
Meat shields is a valid military tactic? So eventhough the Germans used Italians-Romanians as a punching bag you still think they cared?
Also don't confuse defending hungary with this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Spring_Awakening .

Anyways this is off topic last time i'm replying.

 

[keynes2.0]

And most SS volunteered to fight communism, not to fight for Nazis.

Oh lord.

 

[Jongmaster]

Oh lord.

I was thinking the same thing....

 

[Scutatus]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_invasion_of_Denmark_(1940)

They did more damage against Germany though.

Not bad for two (or six) hours work! Moral victory for Denmark!

 

[TartanClad]

UK kinda fucked up early in the war AFAIK. Leaders doing some bad decisions in Asia. They helped Norway in Narvik which is probably known as the biggest naval graveyard. And then decided to bail for some reason.

You don't evacuate when you're already beaten - you evacuate while you still can - otherwise you lose your capability to fight altogether. The British knew they could not hold Norway, so they evacuated with as many Allied soldiers as they could while they knew they could. Many Norwegians that left with the British went on to fight with the RAF and the Royal Navy until the liberation of their country.

 

[SalkinTG]

Not bad for two (or six) hours work! Morale victory for Denmark!

Those last hours were, as far as I remember, after the official surrender of the danish government, but I might be wrong.

On a serious note I must concur with Finland. Holding back the soviets, even though they had the terrain working for them, is pretty badass.

 

[pedrito_elcabra]

Does India count? It was not independent.

UK. Well, it did do it`s best, i agree with that, even if it was unable to help Poland or Norway. UK did do a lot, and attempted to do even more, like arming Europeans, helping them fight axis. There were plenty of interesting cheap weapon concepts made during the war.

While India was not really independent yet, it had a strong independence movement going on in the interwar period. Ghandi decided to not push for independence during WW2, even though it was the UK's moment of weakness and there were important parts of society that called for it, because he felt that it wasn't the right time and the right way.

And that was a tough decision, a heroic and thoroughly loyal one. Great respect for that.

Anyway in my mind India has always been a player on the international stage, independent or not. If we can nominate Albania and Finland for the most badass country, then certainly even a colonized India can be too.

 

[ObssesedNuker]

What do you think?

I think that in asking an inherently subjective question, you are going to get a lot of inherently subjective answers... followed by the answerers flaming each other and trying to defend their inherently subjective answers to the metaphorical death. The reality is that you can look at any of the combatants in the war (major or minor) and find both plenty of instances of genuine bravery as well as genuine cowardice.

 

[windoftime2]

Simo Hayha

 

[Saint Gwynllyw]

Interesting definition of "helping". If you mean "preventing them from defecting to the Allies by occupying them directly", then perhaps that's "helping".

Those SS units weren't "defending" an ally out of altruistic concern, they were enforcing Hitler's orders to see a particular operation carried through before the Soviets could interfere. We're not allowed to discuss that operation here. The Hungarians didn't want the Germans in Budapest, not that they wanted the Soviets either.

Of course, if you want to add being "bad" and "asses" at the same time, Germany might qualify.

off topic;

it always amazes me how Germany's allies in the war (especially Hungary, Romania, Slovakia, Croatia) act like they were coerced victims.
I guess its just easier to teach children you were victims in history class.

 

[Zaku]

off topic;

it always amazes me how Germany's allies in the war (especially Hungary, Romania, Slovakia, Croatia) act like they were coerced victims.
I guess its just easier to teach children you were victims in history class.

@Kovax was talking about the German invasion of Hungary in 1944 October, after Horthy signed an armistice with the Soviets.
He wasn't talking about how Hungary was on the side of the Axis in the war earlier.

Also we only teach historical facts for our children because that's what schools are for. We don't try to hide what our nation did in ww2, but we aren't going to shame the currently living generations for the sins of our forefathers.
It's quite ignorant to assume otherwise IMO.

 

[henzington]

Whatever nation the player is playing.

 

[Price21]

@Kovax was talking about the German invasion of Hungary in 1944 October, after Horthy signed an armistice with the Soviets.
He wasn't talking about how Hungary was on the side of the Axis in the war earlier.

Also we only teach historical facts for our children because that's what schools are for. We don't try to hide what our nation did in ww2, but we aren't going to shame the currently living generations for the sins of our forefathers.
It's quite ignorant to assume otherwise IMO.

Its quite ignorant to not teach your children a certain aspect of your countries history due to it being shameful.. I don't approve of shaming a country due to their own history in fact i'm completely the opposite, although if you're going accuse people of ignorance due to them wanting the full story of their nations history whether it be shameful or not, you're being just as ignorant.

 

[Zaku]

Its quite ignorant to not teach your children a certain aspect of your countries history due to it being shameful..

Why do you assume we don't teach it? We teach the "forbidden topics" in Hungary, it's even a crime punishable by jail to deny them. That's why I said that it's ignorant to assume otherwise. OP only based his post on assumptions, and not on facts.

We however aren't blaming and shaming the current generations for it, because it's not our fault that it has happened.

 

[telge2]

Please, get your heads out of the "heroics" of Michael Wittmann, K/D ratios, Enemy at the Gates penal battalions, and kamikazes. Thank God we won the war.

I disagree with you on the penultimate sentence. It's not these soldiers' fault that they were born on the wrong side. Yes, it is fortunate that the Allies won the war, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't respect their enemies' bravery (without quotation marks), and self-sacrifice.